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I Realize we boomers were the standard bearers for irony ,I didn't realize it had disappeared so quickly

I hate to tell you but Gen X perfected irony.
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Then you need to get with it because the last couple generations are clueless to the cosmic joke
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Joel Stein on the subject

http://time.com/4327424/idiocracy/

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Obviously they exist, but I can't say I know anybody with a science background who would vote Republican. Plenty of people who aren't the greatest fans of the Democrats, but those are the two options.

 

Wrong.

 

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Gotta love the libertarians always jumping in to remind people that they still exist.
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This seems a very accurate point of view. As to Sanders don't you feel these folks are also rationalists and no matter whether they somewhat agree with him or not most of his rhetoric is just that with little chance of becoming reality.

   Actually I posted that article in response to comments that "you're an idiot maybe you shouldn't vote"or that" the problem is folks less intelligent than me are electing our leaders"

Well the folks with the bonafides are heavily liberal so maybe only they are qualified to select our leaders  


I completely disagree with this statement.  Most of my friends are Sanders supporters, and they think by electing him we can turn the United States into a Scandinavian paradise overnight.

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Gotta love the libertarians always jumping in to remind people that they still exist.

 

Well it is frustrating when you are included when two things happen:

A. People polled about policy generally are fairly libertarian in their answers

B. The few polls that included Gary Johnson show him in the 10% range, but he can't get included in more polls.

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I completely disagree with this statement.  Most of my friends are Sanders supporters, and they think by electing him we can turn the United States into a Scandinavian paradise overnight.

I think he meant scientists are rationalists, so they're less likely to go for the utopian Sanders vision.

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Well it is frustrating when you are included when two things happen:


A. People polled about policy generally are fairly libertarian in their answers
B. The few polls that included Gary Johnson show him in the 10% range, but he can't get included in more polls.

I think it boils down to the fact that we have a two party system. Until there's some significant structural changes, it would take the collapse of one of the two major parties for a thirty party to play a serious role. So they get ignored in the normal horserace conservations.

Libertarians are getting a little more traction, mostly as a counter-movement in the Republican party, but it's still pretty marginal. There are barely any elected libertarians at any level. It's all city counsel members and dog catchers. It's easy to be dismissive when you know they're not going to win.
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Most of the highly educated that I know have an "I know what's best for you" mentality, so that makes sense.

Thankfully, Trump brought this attitude to the masses, so we're all on a level playing field now.
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I think a lot of people from both parties are libertarian to some extent , maybe a bit more on the right ,but being a card carrying member of the party itself is pretty much a non-starter so they throw their hat in the ring they perceive to be the lesser of two evils. I think it would be a boon to the US political system if a strong leader could unite these people in their common interest, or in other words what BC said. The world today faces some gigantic challenges . The exclusive  politics of the present major candidates and their advocates are nothing but more fuel on the fire

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I think it boils down to the fact that we have a two party system.

 

Which part of the Constitution establishes the two party system?  Oh right, none.

 

Every other modern republican country in the world - Japan, Canada, UK, Germany, Israel, France - has more than two parties represented in its legislature.  Some have a dozen or more.  The Libertarian presidential nominee got over a million votes in 2012 in the face of a total media and debate blackout.  If he's nominated this year the LP will be running a candidate with more experience in elected office than the two so-called "major party" candidates combined.  It is an absolute scandal that the media, pollsters and debate organizers seem intent on again ignoring the candidate and the party, especially in light of the fact that most Americans find both of the "major party" front-runners to be despicable excuses for human beings.

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Which part of the Constitution establishes the two party system?  Oh right, none.

Two party system is a natural extension of the electoral system that we have. It's not explicit to the Constitution, but it's just structurally infeasible to have a different result until that structure gets changed.
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Every other modern republican country in the world - Japan, Canada, UK, Germany, Israel, France - has more than two parties represented in its legislature. 

Oh so other countries with different electoral systems have different results. Neat.

Changes to our electoral system would probably be good for our democracy, but until that happens, you have to accept the reality of how the system works.
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Which part of the Constitution establishes the two party system?  Oh right, none.

 

Every other modern republican country in the world - Japan, Canada, UK, Germany, Israel, France - has more than two parties represented in its legislature.  Some have a dozen or more.  The Libertarian presidential nominee got over a million votes in 2012 in the face of a total media and debate blackout.  If he's nominated this year the LP will be running a candidate with more experience in elected office than the two so-called "major party" candidates combined.  It is an absolute scandal that the media, pollsters and debate organizers seem intent on again ignoring the candidate and the party, especially in light of the fact that most Americans find both of the "major party" front-runners to be despicable excuses for human beings.

 

Those are all parliamentary governments.  I don't think our system of government has a steady state besides two major parties at a national level.

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Wrong.



Fuck yes, Nick! Keep on keepin' on!
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So libertarians have no stance on immigration?
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