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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

 Letting Hillary ride for four years and then having a more mainstream Republican challenger is not the worst outcome in the universe.

 

Humor us with what you'd consider a worse one.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Well, Hillary couldn't beat Obama in 2008 either.

 

Hillary got 270,000 more votes during the 2008 Democratic primary/caucus season than did Obama.  BHO won the nomination because of super-delegates.

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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Trump will not release his tax returns before November,

Trump resists calls to disclose his tax returns


http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns/

This could be due to Trump being worth much less than he claims, trying to hide how low a tax rate he pays, or something else embarrassing ( like never giving anything to charity, personally ).

What do you think?

I think it has to do with Trump being worth much less. Remember Tim O'brien reported Trump's net worth to be only about $100M~$200M and Trump sued without success. Also Trump disclosed financials claiming he is worth $10B by inflating his assets as much as possible, but I would imagine the nature of tax returns are that he would do the opposite and try to report at the lowest possible creating a big gap between his publicly inflated net worth and private.

Also the returns would probably expose how much cash he has to spend, rather than just his net worth. Is he really rich enough to finance his own campaign? By rich I mean, does he actually have enough money and not just net worth. Maybe he can claim he is worth $10B, but does he really have the $500~$1B it takes to win the general using his own money or does he have to take money from big donors like regular politicians. He is probably a rich person, but is he really THAT rich is the question and answer that will probably be shown by the returns.
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Originally Posted by NickCarraway View Post

Humor us with what you'd consider a worse one.

If you're an establishment Republican, having Trump as the titular head of the Republican party could be a lot worse than four years of Hillary.
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Originally Posted by NickCarraway View Post

Hillary got 270,000 more votes during the 2008 Democratic primary/caucus season than did Obama.  BHO won the nomination because of super-delegates.

That's not true. Obama won the majority of pledged delegates. Hillary had more popular votes, but A) that doesn't included the caucus states where Obama cleaned up B) Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan and Florida.
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Originally Posted by Dragon View Post

I think it has to do with Trump being worth much less. Remember Tim O'brien reported Trump's net worth to be only about $100M~$200M and Trump sued without success. Also Trump disclosed financials claiming he is worth $10B by inflating his assets as much as possible, but I would imagine the nature of tax returns are that he would do the opposite and try to report at the lowest possible creating a big gap between his publicly inflated net worth and private.

Also the returns would probably expose how much cash he has to spend, rather than just his net worth. Is he really rich enough to finance his own campaign? By rich I mean, does he actually have enough money and not just net worth. Maybe he can claim he is worth $10B, but does he really have the $500~$1B it takes to win the general using his own money or does he have to take money from big donors like regular politicians. He is probably a rich person, but is he really THAT rich is the question and answer that will probably be shown by the returns.

He's already said that he's going to accept funding for the generals.

He weaseled out on that promise in the primaries too. Most of his supposed "self-funding" were loans, and he can pay himself back using campaign money.
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The highest asset category is $50+ million for financial disclosure documents. Trump could have 5 assets marked in that category, and we'd have no idea if the total of those assets is $250 million or $2.5 billion. The disclosures won't really tell us that much about his wealth.
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I wonder if it has something to do with all the golf courses he owns/partially owns? I was recently told by someone that owns a golf course huge easements are "donated" to conservation reserves and this gives the ownership large tax advantages. Apparently the IRS has taken a recent interest in this practice.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I wonder if it has something to do with all the golf courses he owns/partially owns? I was recently told by someone that owns a golf course huge easements are "donated" to conservation reserves and this gives the ownership large tax advantages. Apparently the IRS has taken a recent interest in this practice.

Are you saying that The Donald would take advantage of tax loopholes?

Don't forget that he is a populist and a patriot. And he never exaggerates.
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Originally Posted by zalb916 View Post

Trump's easement usage has been known for some time:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-land-donations-put-him-in-line-for-conservation-tax-breaks-1457656717

Well, that's all I got on the topic of Trump's disclosure. Interesting to know as I had no idea prior to the conversation with my friend about this stuff. I wonder if a small landowner with just a few acres, like say me, could take advantage of this?
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http://www.oann.com/pollnational/

Another poll showing Trump and Clinton neck and neck.
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It will all come down to the electoral college.  Can Trump win Ohio, NC, Florida, and Pennsylvania?

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

http://www.oann.com/pollnational/
Another poll showing Trump and Clinton neck and neck.

among mostly white (72%), old (43% over 50), protestant/catholics (63%). this shouldn't be surprising.
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I'm 99% sure that's adjusted out; it says at the very top that its results are "weighted by anticipated voting demographics," like every other poll out there.
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

among mostly white (72%), old (43% over 50), protestant/catholics (63%). this shouldn't be surprising.

How different is that from the real voting population? I have no idea, but it doesn't sound terribly far off to me.
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