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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

There will be no backsliding for Trump. Those who like Trump right now will not jump ship and vote for Hillary.

Bernie supporters are up in the air and I suspect many of them will go to Trump. Hillary supporters are not nearly enthusiastic about Hillary as Trump supporters are for Trump. Many of them will defect to Trump as well. He's going to win the presidency by a landslide.

 

You don't think some people will just stay home when Trump starts softening his message on dirty foreigners?

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 


I'm sure a lot of those voters aren't old enough to remember Ralph Nader . Whatever your opinion of Al Gore you have to feel like the world would be a different place today . Or maybe not

 

I don't think so.  Perhaps I'm just too jaded, but I think both parties are pretty interchangeable at this point, and Congress would have still been run by Republicans.  Perhaps the debt would have been lower because of the divided legislature/executive.

Really? You don't think the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq was a major player in shaping the world as it is now. Surely you are not suggesting that Al Gore would have invaded Iraq? I'm not saying that the world would be a better or worse place I'm just trying to point out that not voting or throwing your vote away in a fit of pique might just be more impactful than a lot of people realize

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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

There will be no backsliding for Trump. Those who like Trump right now will not jump ship and vote for Hillary.

Bernie supporters are up in the air and I suspect many of them will go to Trump. Hillary supporters are not nearly enthusiastic about Hillary as Trump supporters are for Trump. Many of them will defect to Trump as well. He's going to win the presidency by a landslide.


This is one of those "I wonder what planet this guy is living on" posts.


Nobody who is supporting Hillary right now is going to vote for Trump. Many Republican voters are openly flirting with not voting, or even voting for Hillary (and they're willing to talk about it!). Some Bernie voters, mostly the anti-trade types, might cross over, but Trump's brand of authoritarianism isn't going to appeal to the core group of progressives that makes up most of Bernie's voters.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

There will be no backsliding for Trump. Those who like Trump right now will not jump ship and vote for Hillary.

Bernie supporters are up in the air and I suspect many of them will go to Trump. Hillary supporters are not nearly enthusiastic about Hillary as Trump supporters are for Trump. Many of them will defect to Trump as well. He's going to win the presidency by a landslide.

 

You don't think some people will just stay home when Trump starts softening his message on dirty foreigners?


I completely agree. How is he going to soften his message enough to attract a more moderate voter yet maintain the support of the hardline immigration crowd that form his base

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

You don't think some people will just stay home when Trump starts softening his message on dirty foreigners?

I think the problem for Trump is that he cannot just assume he's going to pick up the 50% of Republican primary voters who didn't vote for him, or the significant fraction of mainstream voters who didn't vote in the primaries but usually vote in the generals. His core group of supporters in the primaries isn't even close to enough to win the generals, so he needs to turn out a much bigger and more diverse group. Are the normal crop of Republican voters going to show up and vote for him? "RINO" has been a deadly slur recently, and Trump supports all kinds of positions that are outside the Republican mainstream. It got him 50% of the primary votes, but does it hold in the generals?




And, you know, Trump is going to keep being Trump. The possibility of isolating increasingly larger groups of people is high, especially with six months of pure unadulterated Trump being shot into our political veins.
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post


I completely agree. How is he going to soften his message enough to attract a more moderate voter yet maintain the support of the hardline immigration crowd that form his base

I think he has a lot more wiggle room with this than most people give him credit for.

He could push the view that the wall is not anti-immigration at all. That's honestly how I see it. I just see it as having more control over immigration. He could keep pushing the wall, but also have a more liberal agenda when it comes to legal immigration and throw something in there for the people who came over as little kids and grew up white washed, or parents of legal children who have been living here a long time.
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I live in area that is as  liberal as it gets in this country . Almost every person under 40 that I know is (or were) avid Bernie supporters . In that same respect they have stated that they find Trump to be despicable.I can imagine this crowd staying home but throwing their hat in a ring with Trump?    

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Convincing people that that wall is not anti immigration would be about as easy as convincing them that a hammer and sickle is just a symbol of industry and agriculture

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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

Really? You don't think the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq was a major player in shaping the world as it is now. Surely you are not suggesting that Al Gore would have invaded Iraq? I'm not saying that the world would be a better or worse place I'm just trying to point out that not voting or throwing your vote away in a fit of pique might just be more impactful than a lot of people realize

Bush criticized Gore during the debates for US involvement in Kosovo/Bosnia. Clinton-Gore was not a non-interventionist administration. W ran to the left of Gore on US imperialism, just as Prez Peace Prize ran as the peace candidate and then bombed almost twice as many countries as his predecessor.
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post
 

Really? You don't think the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq was a major player in shaping the world as it is now. Surely you are not suggesting that Al Gore would have invaded Iraq? I'm not saying that the world would be a better or worse place I'm just trying to point out that not voting or throwing your vote away in a fit of pique might just be more impactful than a lot of people realize


I think he would have.  Clinton before him did a lot of bombings and sent troops into Kosovo and other troubled areas in eastern Europe.  I don't think Gore would have wanted to seem soft on terror.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


I think he would have.  Clinton before him did a lot of bombings and sent troops into Kosovo and other troubled areas in eastern Europe.  I don't think Gore would have wanted to seem soft on terror.

There was also the painful lesson Clinton learned from not securing an area you are trying to help i.e. Somolia.
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So word has it that Russia might have all of Clinton's emails and might leak them:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/hillarys-emails-hacked-russia-kremlin-deciding-whether-release-20000-emails-hacked/
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I really hope they leak them close to the election. I doubt China, and Israel would ever release them.
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

I'm sure a lot of those voters aren't old enough to remember Ralph Nader . Whatever your opinion of Al Gore you have to feel like the world would be a different place today . Or maybe not

Yeah, we'd still be involved in foreign unwinnable wars but we'd be paying twice as much per gallon for gas. That's certainly a different place.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Nobody who is supporting Hillary right now is going to vote for Trump. Many Republican voters are openly flirting with not voting, or even voting for Hillary (and they're willing to talk about it!). Some Bernie voters, mostly the anti-trade types, might cross over, but Trump's brand of authoritarianism isn't going to appeal to the core group of progressives that makes up most of Bernie's voters.

They're full of shit.
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