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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post


I'm in SoCal. I'm fine living in a diverse society. But some cultures are better than others and I don't want muslims living around me or my loved ones. 

 

But which kind of muslims bother you?  Ethnically Chinese muslims?   Eastern European (read: white looking) muslims?  Indian muslims?  Malaysian muslims?  Indonesian muslims?  Filipino muslims? Arab muslims?  African muslims?  Eurasian muslims?  Which ones annoy you?

post #2477 of 8748
I didn't realize there's a massive influx of Muslims that needs to be stemmed in the US. Good thing Trump is here to stop the invasion.

So this just happened too

Trump-loving tow truck driver leaves handicapped motorist stranded over Bernie Sanders support
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/trump-loving-tow-truck-driver-leaves-handicapped-m/

“I think the Lord came to me, and he just said get in the truck and leave.”
Edited by the shah - 5/5/16 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post


Aren't you in eastern Europe where you have like 5 Muslim migrants (some countries have Muslim populations but they're natives)?

For your information the migrants that commit a higher % of crimes than average in Germany are from Serbia, Albania and Kosovo. I'm not saying we need to preserve Western European culture from Eastern Europeans importing their shitty culture but, maybe I am saying it...

Albania and Kosovo are muslim countries.

There was a big story in german media that migrant crime goes underreported for the same reason info about Cologne was suppresed for days. For example;
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article151409240/Polizei-fuehlt-sich-bei-Migranten-Kriminalitaet-gegaengelt.html

So I am very skeptical of that claim seeing how majority of sex crime from norway, sweden comes from muslim migrants. When it comes to other type of crime you might be right. Still europeans no matter which country don't come with same assimilation problems, because across WE and EE cultures bear more resemblance with each other than with islamic cultures. So even if crime rate is same they are easier to integrate and don't cause 'extra' problems like terrorism for example.

Anyway since we are in UE there's freedom of movement of people so... there's nothing you can do about those bloody romanians, bulgarians, czechs and poles fistbump.gif

I know 3 of 5 muslims that live in my country and they are all very decent folk and they are sort of forced to learn language and live among us because there's 5 of them, which is good.

But i don't even blame them, same happens when eastern europeans migrate in large groups, may of them live among each other and dont learn the language and assimilate less effectively.
Edited by wojt - 5/5/16 at 4:02pm
post #2479 of 8748
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

I didn't realize there's a massive influx of Muslims that needs to be stemmed in the US. Good thing Trump is here to stop the invasion.

So this just happened too

Trump-loving tow truck driver leaves handicapped motorist stranded over Bernie Sanders support
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/trump-loving-tow-truck-driver-leaves-handicapped-m/

“I think the Lord came to me, and he just said get in the truck and leave.”

Oh now, you've left out the best part....
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Ms. McWade, 25, has psoriatic arthritis, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and early-stage Crohns, making her time on the road without a bathroom nearby a “terrifying” experience, she told ABC News. She is legally disabled and said her handicapped placard was hanging from her rearview mirror.

Now, while I of course don't condone this, are we not always told that while speech is free expressing it might have consequences?
post #2480 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Gibonius, what would you do if you were the czar of immigration for America?

Would favor people from some countries over others? Would you accept syrian refugees? Would you build a wall separating the USA from Mexico? Would you tear what little wall we have on the border down? How would you handle these issues?

A comprehensive immigration strategy is just a little bit over my paygrade.


That said, the illegal immigration problem and the international immigration system are largely different problems and need to be addressed separably. Illegal immigration has been pretty widely discussed, and I think a bigger deal than physically sealing the border is getting some transparency on the system of migrants and illegal immigrants working in the US. We have plenty of systems in place that ought to work (eVerify, etc), but we don't meaningfully require that employers actually use them. We don't make employers take five seconds to verify that the Social Security cards provided by workers actually match the names they give. We tacitly assume that millions of migrants are going to work under the table for illegal cash wages because it's economically unfeasible to pay American wages (both parties are part of this). Tightening the controls on the legal labor markets and setting up a system of meaningfully regulated migrant labor polls would go a long way to stemming demand for illegal labor. I think it makes sense to prioritize workers from this hemisphere, since it's in our direct interest to not have our near neighbors get destabilized. If remittances and guest labor programs can help El Salvador or whoever not collapse, that's good for the US consider we have certain need for cheap labor anyway.

The bigger picture stuff (why don't Americans want to work for those low wage jobs) is more than I can claim to handle or want to get into in this thread.


For the global picture, I think focusing on our practice of accepting the best and brightest makes sense. I'm not a huge fan of the huge number of H1b and graduate student visas, but I'm a little hesitant to say I have an answer on that. Having the same cap per country is arbitrary and could be changed to reflect some other criteria, number of skilled workers available or whatever. I think that largely mitigates the radicalization problem.

Many people want to get the hell out of restrictive countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, to come to the US to make a living and not to spread radical Islam. Those people serve as a good counterbalance to radical Islam, and make the US stronger in the process. We don't need an unlimited number of them, but we're hardly getting that now.


Refugees, I think if we're going to be a global power, we have a moral obligation to take (some) people from destabilized areas. How many, I can't say. We're never going to see a million plus a year like Europe (unless Central America keeps getting worse but there are only so many people there), so it's really a much different dynamic. The status quo of the country isn't going to be radically altered by some vast flow of refugees because we're already pretty damn selective about who we let in and I don't see that changing.
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Is New Orleans a destabilized area? confused.gif
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

You're such an ignorant fuck.

First, I know from personal experience, fast food restaurants actually don't cut the number of employees when they add those kiosks.  Self-checkouts have been a thing in Walmarts and grocery stores for a long time.  Have you ever sat in one of those lines?  They are slow as hell because morons can't figure out how they work.

Second, I'm sure the South's loss in the Civil War had nothing to do with the lack of industry, rail roads, and people...




http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/files/2014/01/StrawMan2.jpg


What I'm saying is we have plenty of home grown terrorists.  Obviously Muslims are more likely to join a Muslim terrorist organization.  There are better ways to screen immigrants than country of origin or religion.
By all means please tell us more.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

So a country founded on religious liberty and flight from religious prosecution should deny people entry based on religion?  This is especially funny coming from people who claim to hold the founding fathers and documents in such high regard.  Seems a bit counter-intuitive to me, but I'm just a man adrift without a political party.
Whaaat? Are u mixing Puritans from Britain with Amer. Constitution and foundinf fathers? Now whose being a dumb fuck now?
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post


Whaaat? Are u mixing Puritans from Britain with Amer. Constitution and foundinf fathers? Now whose being a dumb fuck now?


No.  There are plenty of examples both of colonial times of colonies passing religious tolerance laws (and sometimes rescinding them) as well as post-independence.

Federalist Paper #10, as an example, talks exactly about how we shouldn't discriminate on things such as religion because it strengthens a republic: http://billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/primary-source-documents/the-federalist-papers/federalist-papers-no-10/

 

It also isn't like the First Amendment talks about freedom of religion at all...

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bu it doesn't tell you shouldnt discriminate on geographical region
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

bu it doesn't tell you shouldnt discriminate on geographical region


I agree.  I didn't say you should never do so.  I have, however, argued that the problem is largely imaginary.  Plus, I don't think it will be effective even if it is a real problem.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


I have, however, argued that the problem is largely imaginary. 

"But in Europe...."
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


"But in Europe...."


"... they ghettoize an entire group of people and refuse to let them integrate into society"

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Whoever manages Trump's twitter account does a pretty good job, but his followers have hilarious conspiracy theories.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


"... they ghettoize an entire group of people and refuse to let them integrate into society"

American society is also incredibly segregated.
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