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I can see how less illegal immigrants would make it difficult for some businesses to run in the short term. I can't help but think a lot of jobs can just be replace with machines. Not all jobs or course(hotel maid is a good example), but a lot. The $15 minimum wage idea is becoming more and more popular. Now you go to a taco bell and put your order in a touch screen with zero human interaction. Self-checkout stations are springing up at Target. Farming tractors today are automated to the point where a human just sits in them just in case something goes wrong and they drive themselves.

I can't help but think if cheap labor was good for the economy in the long run then the south would have easily won the civil war.
post #2462 of 8792
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

How many immigrants to the US have committed terrorist acts in the US (especially those from "countries that produced a lot of terrorists") ?


If you look at the Wikipedia list of terrorist attack in the US in the 2000s and 2010s, it sure looks like a lot of crazy folks are on it: including members of the US military.

Not sure what you are getting at. Are you making a point that muslim immigrants are no more likely to commit terrorist attacks, rape ect than non muslim immigrants? If you let in 10,000 people Syria Vs. 10,000 people from Mexico would both groups have the same likelihood of committing terrorist attacks or leaving to go fight for ISIS?
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

I can see how less illegal immigrants would make it difficult for some businesses to run in the short term. I can't help but think a lot of jobs can just be replace with machines. Not all jobs or course(hotel maid is a good example), but a lot. The $15 minimum wage idea is becoming more and more popular. Now you go to a taco bell and put your order in a touch screen with zero human interaction. Self-checkout stations are springing up at Target. Farming tractors today are automated to the point where a human just sits in them just in case something goes wrong and they drive themselves.

I can't help but think if cheap labor was good for the economy in the long run then the south would have easily won the civil war.

 

You're such an ignorant fuck.

 

First, I know from personal experience, fast food restaurants actually don't cut the number of employees when they add those kiosks.  Self-checkouts have been a thing in Walmarts and grocery stores for a long time.  Have you ever sat in one of those lines?  They are slow as hell because morons can't figure out how they work.

 

Second, I'm sure the South's loss in the Civil War had nothing to do with the lack of industry, rail roads, and people...

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post


Not sure what you are getting at. Are you making a point that muslim immigrants are no more likely to commit terrorist attacks, rape ect than non muslim immigrants? If you let in 10,000 people Syria Vs. 10,000 people from Mexico would both groups have the same likelihood of committing terrorist attacks or leaving to go fight for ISIS?

 

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/files/2014/01/StrawMan2.jpg

 

What I'm saying is we have plenty of home grown terrorists.  Obviously Muslims are more likely to join a Muslim terrorist organization.  There are better ways to screen immigrants than country of origin or religion.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

How many immigrants to the US have committed terrorist acts in the US (especially those from "countries that produced a lot of terrorists") ?


If you look at the Wikipedia list of terrorist attack in the US in the 2000s and 2010s, it sure looks like a lot of crazy folks are on it: including members of the US military.

People are wildly overemphasizing the risk of terrorist attacks in general. We're really talking about altering our entire immigration policy over a handful of incidents of mass violence that involved Muslim immigrants? Why aren't these same people talking about gun control for Americans, if this is such a HUGE deal? Some white autistic fucker shooting 20 school children is no big deal, just the cost of doing business, but a Muslim shooting 14 is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. Ok.


I think the "terrorism" plank is really just a more acceptable way of talking about what some people in this thread are already pushing: this is about culture. People are trying to find ways to keep America white, and restrict the number of contrasting cultures that can come here. I guess that's a conversation we can have, let's just not hide it behind "terrorism."
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

You're such an ignorant fuck.

First, I know from personal experience, fast food restaurants actually don't cut the number of employees when they add those kiosks.  Self-checkouts have been a thing in Walmarts and grocery stores for a long time.  Have you ever sat in one of those lines?  They are slow as hell because morons can't figure out how they work.

Second, I'm sure the South's loss in the Civil War had nothing to do with the lack of industry, rail roads, and people...




http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/files/2014/01/StrawMan2.jpg


What I'm saying is we have plenty of home grown terrorists.  Obviously Muslims are more likely to join a Muslim terrorist organization.  There are better ways to screen immigrants than country of origin or religion.

Machines don't reduce labor?



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So what's happening with all these places that have kiosks. Do business owners just buy these machines without reducing any labor? If that was the case you'd simply never see them.

I'm not saying my way to keeping muslims out is perfect. I just said it's better than the status quo. Tell me how you would keep them out if it was up to you.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post



I think the "terrorism" plank is really just a more acceptable way of talking about what some people in this thread are already pushing: this is about culture. People are trying to find ways to keep America white, and restrict the number of contrasting cultures that can come here. I guess that's a conversation we can have, let's just not hide it behind "terrorism."

Dead wrong. It's also a bit weak to cry white supremacy when someone wants more immigration control. That's the kind of rebuttal I'd expect from a college student.

I'm in SoCal. I'm fine living in a diverse society. But some cultures are better than others and I don't want muslims living around me or my loved ones. You just have to read european news to see why. My views on mexican immigration are pretty liberal.

Also, the correlation between guns and homicide is not nearly as strong as the correlation between muslim immigrants and terrorism/rape.
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post


Machines don't reduce labor?



Burger-Making-Robot.gif

So what's happening with all these places that have kiosks. Do business owners just buy these machines without reducing any labor? If that was the case you'd simply never see them.

I'm not saying my way to keeping muslims out is perfect. I just said it's better than the status quo. Tell me how you would keep them out if it was up to you.

 

You can't quit with the straw men can you?  Of course machines can reduce labor.  Fast food restaurants have not reduced workforce as a result of adding these machines though.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/10/22/mcdonald_s_and_wages_is_the_company_planning_to_replace_its_cashiers_with.html

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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Dead wrong. It's also a bit weak to cry white supremacy when someone wants more immigration control. That's the kind of rebuttal I'd expect from a college student.

I'm in SoCal. I'm fine living in a diverse society. But some cultures are better than others and I don't want muslims living around me or my loved ones. You just have to read european news to see why. My views on mexican immigration are pretty liberal.

Also, the correlation between guns and homicide is not nearly as strong as the correlation between muslim immigrants and terrorism/rape.

Your personal beliefs are not the summation of people who are focused on this issue. I don't think it's a coincidence that the BUILD THAT WALL people are the same ones who are gung-ho on the Muslim immigration control issue.

Whiteness aside, if it's about culture, then it's about culture. Terrorism is a tiny little piece of the discussion, but gets the vast majority of the attention. Trump and his supporters were all over this after the Paris and Brussels attacks, like that had anything to do with Muslim Americans.

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I don't want muslims living around me or my loved ones

I have a decent number of Muslim neighbors, there are halal grocery stores, etc. Never seen any reason why I'd feel nervous around them. Most of them seem more concerned about harassment from ignorant Americans than potential terrorists.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I think the "terrorism" plank is really just a more acceptable way of talking about what some people in this thread are already pushing: this is about culture. People are trying to find ways to keep America white, and restrict the number of contrasting cultures that can come here. I guess that's a conversation we can have, let's just not hide it behind "terrorism."

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muslim is not race

chinese are not white either, but nobody wants to ban them

yes it's a culture thing, radicals are bigger problem than jihadists, they dont assmilate and import shitty parts of their culture vide ghettos in europe. there is wide range of problems.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

People are wildly overemphasizing the risk of terrorist attacks in general. We're really talking about altering our entire immigration policy over a handful of incidents of mass violence that involved Muslim immigrants? Why aren't these same people talking about gun control for Americans, if this is such a HUGE deal? Some white autistic fucker shooting 20 school children is no big deal, just the cost of doing business, but a Muslim shooting 14 is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. Ok.

great logic

You know what are your chances of getting AIDS? Probably something like 0.0001% at most!. I guess we should stop worrying about it and cut the funding to the research! Hey what are the odds? Stop fearmongering.

Excuse me, but some of us are talking about a problem here lol :P
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Dead wrong. It's also a bit weak to cry white supremacy when someone wants more immigration control. That's the kind of rebuttal I'd expect from a college student.

I'm in SoCal. I'm fine living in a diverse society. But some cultures are better than others and I don't want muslims living around me or my loved ones. You just have to read european news to see why. My views on mexican immigration are pretty liberal.

Also, the correlation between guns and homicide is not nearly as strong as the correlation between muslim immigrants and terrorism/rape.

As far migrant criminality is concerned (including rape, if you're thinking of the Cologne incidents), if you take German statistics there is no correlation. In fact Syrian and and Iraki refugees commit less crime than say some from other eastern european countries.

Massive immigration increase from 2014 to 2015, due to the refugee crisis, lead to an 80% increase in migrant crime for a 440% increase in migrants.

Reporting discussing BKA numbers on migrants (BKA=Federal criminal police in Germany):
http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890

Anything you say can certainly be demonstrated false in the same way but this is just one tiny example.

Pretty good summary for french readers:
http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2016/02/18/allemagne-migrants-criminalite-comment-detourner-des-statistiques_4868025_4355770.html
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

facepalm.gif
muslim is not race

chinese are not white either, but nobody wants to ban them

yes it's a culture thing, radicals are bigger problem than jihadists, they dont assmilate and import shitty parts of their culture vide ghettos in europe. there is wide range of problems.
great logic

You know what are your chances of getting AIDS? Probably something like 0.0001% at most!. I guess we should stop worrying about it and cut the funding to the research! Hey what are the odds? Stop fearmongering.

Excuse me, but some of us are talking about a problem here lol :P

I want to ban them, fuck you.
post #2472 of 8792
Gibonius, what would you do if you were the czar of immigration for America?

Would favor people from some countries over others? Would you accept syrian refugees? Would you build a wall separating the USA from Mexico? Would you tear what little wall we have on the border down? How would you handle these issues?
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Gibonius, what would you do if you were the czar of immigration for America?

Would favor people from some countries over others? Would you accept syrian refugees? Would you build a wall separating the USA from Mexico? Would you tear what little wall we have on the border down? How would you handle these issues?

I'd do a 1:1 program where we deport idiots like you and get someone with a modicum of intelligence in. I'd even accept particularly clever dogs in some sad cases.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

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muslim is not race

chinese are not white either, but nobody wants to ban them

Muslims don't have to be a race to be excluded by people who don't want to see the US become "less white."
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yes it's a culture thing, radicals are bigger problem than jihadists, they dont assmilate and import shitty parts of their culture vide ghettos in europe. there is wide range of problems.
And the US doesn't seem to have that problem. So...what issue are we solving with a ban, exactly?

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You know what are your chances of getting AIDS? Probably something like 0.0001% at most!. I guess we should stop worrying about it and cut the funding to the research! Hey what are the odds? Stop fearmongering.
There are over a million people in the US with AIDS, and we had something like 20 people die to terrorism from Muslims in the US over the last decade (I can't be fucked to look up the number).

Solid argument right there.
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Excuse me, but some of us are talking about a problem here lol :P

You don't seem to be doing a very good job of identifying whether there actually is a problem or not, especially since all the examples seem to start with "Well, in Europe..."
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

facepalm.gif
muslim is not race

chinese are not white either, but nobody wants to ban them

yes it's a culture thing, radicals are bigger problem than jihadists, they dont assmilate and import shitty parts of their culture vide ghettos in europe. there is wide range of problems.
great logic

You know what are your chances of getting AIDS? Probably something like 0.0001% at most!. I guess we should stop worrying about it and cut the funding to the research! Hey what are the odds? Stop fearmongering.

Excuse me, but some of us are talking about a problem here lol :P

Aren't you in eastern Europe where you have like 5 Muslim migrants (some countries have Muslim populations but they're natives)?

For your information the migrants that commit a higher % of crimes than average in Germany are from Serbia, Albania and Kosovo. I'm not saying we need to preserve Western European culture from Eastern Europeans importing their shitty culture but, maybe I am saying it...
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