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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

How is being nuanced and coming down to specifics working for Bernie? Obama run on "hope and change", Hillary message boils down to vagina 2016. Politicians start to dig their own graves when they go down to subtance because there's more to pick apart/disagree with them. They cater to 80% that doesn't give shit about politics not 20% like you or me who actually follow it. Trump knows the game and is a good player.

Bernie's not being nuanced or giving specifics though.


You can tell Hillary is serious about policy, but has made the perhaps questionable decision to not get into it as much as possible. She's a wonk, but is trying to hide it and be the folksy endearing person she really isn't. Wonks don't necessarily make the best President, but it's better than the alternative of no policy knowledge or understanding.
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Hillary will continue neocons policies /AIPAC on international arena and furthering neoliberal policies as her husband bill clinton did, hiring policy makers through revolving doors. The libs, middle class and low middle class will love her and she will continue obama legacy .Even spanish emigrants will love her when their kids will get stuck with eduaction yet with no prospect, they still on honemoon with new york intellectuals policies/lobby. Just give it time they will be remembered for sure shit has not hit the fan not yet thus they keep playing with new york intellectuals agenda "popular politics".
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Originally Posted by Dragon View Post


Trump vs Republican Candidates & Clinton

Trump was painted as a non-serious candidate doing it just for fun or publicity
Trump was painted as a misogynist
Trump was branded as a racist
Trump was painted as promoting violence
Trump was branded as being a loose canon and unpredictable
Trump had some big gaffs

...Trump still won and will probably continue to win despite more negative branding and painting smile.gif

 

A lot of these things didn't stick though (at least not with supporters or potential supporters).  Trump has proven to not be playing by the same rules other politicians play by though.

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Originally Posted by wojt View Post


How is being nuanced and coming down to specifics working for Bernie? Obama run on "hope and change", Hillary message boils down to vagina 2016. Politicians start to dig their own graves when they go down to subtance because there's more to pick apart/disagree with them. They cater to 80% that doesn't give shit about politics not 20% like you or me who actually follow it. Trump knows the game and is a good player.


I agree with Gib, Bernie isn't being specific.  He can't be: his proposed policies don't have a basis in reality.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I agree with Gib, Bernie isn't being specific.  He can't be: his proposed policies don't have a basis in reality.

see, he gives policies and even without specifics you already disagree
hope and change, wall or vagina is a superior message
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see, he gives policies and even without specifics you already disagree
hope and change, wall or vagina is a superior message

 

Well, he proposes spending trillions of dollars by only raising taxes on the rich.  How do you double federal government expenditures and only tax 10% of the population to cover it?

Places that have done the tax calculators show even middle class people would have to pay twice as much in taxes under his plan.  No one is going to vote for that (except those not paying already).  He tries shifting that to "but you won't have to pay for your health care."  Great!  The only money I've spent on health care in 5 years is on my insurance premiums, and I'm supposed to pay an extra $30k in taxes so I don't have to pay for that?  Seems like I'm getting a raw deal.

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"'They're destroying Europe – I'm not going to let that happen to the United States' Trump doubles down on non-citizen Muslim ban"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573632/Trump-doubles-non-citizen-Muslim-ban-destroying-Europe-m-not-going-let-happen-United-States.html

Glad he isn't backing off of this one. And honestly I can't really see it hurting him that much. Good example for europeans to see as well.
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"'They're destroying Europe – I'm not going to let that happen to the United States' Trump doubles down on non-citizen Muslim ban"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573632/Trump-doubles-non-citizen-Muslim-ban-destroying-Europe-m-not-going-let-happen-United-States.html

Glad he isn't backing off of this one. And honestly I can't really see it hurting him that much. Good example for europeans to see as well.

 

Tell me: how do you do this?  Do we only look at their country of origin?  Are we going to start screening immigrants from Indonesia, and other parts of east Asia?  What about Muslim Canadians?

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Tell me: how do you do this?  Do we only look at their country of origin?  Are we going to start screening immigrants from Indonesia, and other parts of east Asia?  What about Muslim Canadians?

rotflmao.gif

LIKE ANYONE WOULD MOVE FROM CANADA TO THE US!!!!!!!!!
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Tell me: how do you do this?  Do we only look at their country of origin?  Are we going to start screening immigrants from Indonesia, and other parts of east Asia?  What about Muslim Canadians?

Japan does it
if you're a muslim your application for permament stay or citizenship has well... a small chance of being accepted
well it has small chance no matter who you are, but muslims are not top picks from what ive heard

not sure how it's legally done though, but in case of USA you can for example do green card hard cap on number of greencards for countries where muslims are a majority or only allow them to apply for tourist visas.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Tell me: how do you do this?  Do we only look at their country of origin?  Are we going to start screening immigrants from Indonesia, and other parts of east Asia?  What about Muslim Canadians?

It's not that difficult. But yeah, I assume their country of origin would be part of the screening process. I don't work for immigration or NASA, but my conservative, unenlightened logic tells me that figuring out how to stop mass Muslim immigration should be within reach of the country that put a man on the moon before the rest of the world.
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Japan does it
if you're a muslim your application for permament stay or citizens ship has well... a small chance of being accepted

not sure how it's legally done though

 

Japan has also been doing that for how long?  100 years?  More?
 

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It's not that difficult. But yeah, I assume their country of origin would be part of the screening process. I don't work for immigration or NASA, but my conservative, unenlightened logic tells me that figuring out how to stop mass Muslim immigration should be within reach of the country that put a man on the moon before the rest of the world.


Well, as I was alluding to, there are a lot of Muslims out there.  Many of them don't reside in the Middle East, so country of origin screening won't work.  That leaves asking the question.  Tell me, do you think a terrorist is above lying on an application form about their religion?

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Well, as I was alluding to, there are a lot of Muslims out there.  Many of them don't reside in the Middle East, so country of origin screening won't work.  That leaves asking the question.  Tell me, do you think a terrorist is above lying on an application form about their religion?

it would work, because the goal would not be to allow literally zero people but to prevent muslim minority from growing, which it would, if couple thounsand per year would enter via Canadian/UK id's it wouldn't matter in big scheme of things. Also they could be denied residency/citizenship later on.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


I agree with Gib, Bernie isn't being specific.  He can't be: his proposed policies don't have a basis in reality.

Trump has this same problem. The vast majority of his "solutions" are predicated on the fact that Trump is the most awesome leader and negotiator in the known world. He never says HOW any of this stuff is going to get done, just that it is because he's awesome.

Take the Rust Belt problem. Trump gives us the teaser, he's the only one with a solution and he's going to renegotiate trade deals to get jobs back in the Rust Belt. Well....how? Nobody with an economics background seems to think it's possible to bring low skill manufacturing jobs back to the US, so why should anyone believe Trump can do it, especially when he won't give any details?
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Tell me: how do you do this?  Do we only look at their country of origin?  Are we going to start screening immigrants from Indonesia, and other parts of east Asia?  What about Muslim Canadians?

The other problem there is that Trump has explicitly said we're not doing enough to help Christians in conflict zones. So we're explicitly implementing a religion test now?
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