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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post


This is insane. His temperament is why he's so popular. He's also a smart guy and has had a lot of time to study up on any issue that they will talk about.
 

 

 

Trump is popular with the people who like him however a presidential race is not a reality show.  It takes more than a couple of sound bites to get elected president.  I will not opine on Trumps intelligence.  I will admit  that Trump believes that he is very intelligent however 3 months is not enough time to make anyone a statesman, especially a crotchety old man who thinks he already knows everything.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post


Don't you think glaring deficiencies would be front and center now after all the republican debates? You can name a few and nit pick, but in the end Trump just keeps on advancing. The comparison to Sarah Palin is ridiculous.
 
 

 

The republican "debates" had no substance.  All 10,000 of them were a joke.  "I'm going to build a great big wall with a great big door and make Mexico pay for it" might play to the rubes who only know about Trump from The Apprentice but that shite won't get him (or anyone else) elected.

 

You might not like Hillary but when it comes to issues and specifics, she has a much greater grasp of the job, a much greater understanding of the world as well as the different people that inhabit it and is much more qualified to be president than Trump.  If you think his bluster will somehow destroy her, just remember how she weathered the Benghazi storm.  Tag teamed by House Republicans yet she ended up looking impressive and made them all look like it was  amateur hour

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post


Mark my words. The debates with Clinton will be brutal and he will win opinion polls by landslides. She has so much dirt he can bring up. It's going to be a bloodbath. Feel free to quote this post after the first debate.
 

 

Mudslinging won't get him elected.  What does he have on her?

  • Standing by Bill
  • Beghazi
  • Email server

 

Trump probably has much more dirt out there than Hillary.  Meanwhile Hillary will stick to the issues

post #2417 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

his wife is cute.

 

 

His wife is what?

 

 

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Originally Posted by ilsartodoro View Post

 CNN  controversies here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies

 Just recently journalism run some research on it. http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/

CNN love to run political coverage, or  political analysis or  on trump which is how they make a part of revenue.

When you have facts that CNN is running 322,762,018 participant poll, followed closely by multiple independent organizations for accuracy and transparency in journalism let me know how unbiased it is since you have facts on its transparency.

Go look up "statistically valid sample size" and get back to me. Amazingly you don't need to ask an entire population to get valid results.


If you want to say the CNN poll is an outlier based on other data, fine. Show some contrary evidence. Simply crying "BIAS" is the lazy way of discounting data that you don't like.


Ataturk posted a poll showing somewhat smaller margins, but similar trends. Throw a couple more polls in there and something reliable could be extracted. Simply throwing the data out is poor form.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


His wife is what?


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All I'm saying is that for a greasy fish faced lucifer in the flesh who doesn't wear clothes that fit, he made out pretty well.
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What the hell? lol
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Go look up "statistically valid sample size" and get back to me. Amazingly you don't need to ask an entire population to get valid results.


If you want to say the CNN poll is an outlier based on other data, fine. Show some contrary evidence. Simply crying "BIAS" is the lazy way of discounting data that you don't like.


Ataturk posted a poll showing somewhat smaller margins, but similar trends. Throw a couple more polls in there and something reliable could be extracted. Simply throwing the data out is poor form.

 

Do you mean the Sample size determination formula for population? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination ?

Care to share the number that CNN run.

 

 Second  there is something that is called  selective sampling :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias

 

 Third again this fits a political poll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_poll:

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-29/flaws-in-polling-data-exposed-as-u-s-campaign-season-heats-up

http://news.discovery.com/human/election-2016-the-problem-with-polls-160209.htm :

 

 

You should show me some organization auditing it, and what you basing the poll validity or simply on CNN managing the poll on its own.

 

 But  I get what you saying  your methods of validating  polls is comparing two or more polls with total different numbers of participant and polls which may or may not have selective bias based on political political alignment, representing  millions of people.


Edited by ilsartodoro - 5/4/16 at 7:13pm
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Why are n00bs allowed to get in CE?
post #2423 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post
 

 

 

Trump is popular with the people who like him however a presidential race is not a reality show.  It takes more than a couple of sound bites to get elected president.  I will not opine on Trumps intelligence.  I will admit  that Trump believes that he is very intelligent however 3 months is not enough time to make anyone a statesman, especially a crotchety old man who thinks he already knows everything.

 

 

 

The republican "debates" had no substance.  All 10,000 of them were a joke.  "I'm going to build a great big wall with a great big door and make Mexico pay for it" might play to the rubes who only know about Trump from The Apprentice but that shite won't get him (or anyone else) elected.

 

You might not like Hillary but when it comes to issues and specifics, she has a much greater grasp of the job, a much greater understanding of the world as well as the different people that inhabit it and is much more qualified to be president than Trump.  If you think his bluster will somehow destroy her, just remember how she weathered the Benghazi storm.  Tag teamed by House Republicans yet she ended up looking impressive and made them all look like it was  amateur hour

 

 

 

 

Mudslinging won't get him elected.  What does he have on her?

  • Standing by Bill
  • Beghazi
  • Email server

 

Trump probably has much more dirt out there than Hillary.  Meanwhile Hillary will stick to the issues

 

Issues haven't ever really gotten anyone elected in the past 30 years.  It is all about sound bites, who seems likable, and who doesn't screw up.

Let's look at recent elections:

Bush v Clinton

Clinton was more likable

Bush seemed out of touch thanks to the media portrayal at the grocery store

The economy wasn't doing well

"Read my lips no new taxes"

 

Clinton v. Dole

Clinton was more likable

The economy was doing fairly well

Incumbency advantage

 

Bush v. Gore

Bush was more likable

Gore was painted as a robot

Parties typically don't get 3 consecutive terms in the Oval

 

Bush v. Kerry

Bush was more likable

Kerry was branded a flip-flopper

Kerry was branded an out-of-touch MA elitist

Kerry was branded as a coward who fled Vietnam

 

Obama v. McCain

Obama was more likable

McCain was branded as a crotchety old man out of touch with the youths

Historic election

Parties typically don't get 3 consecutive terms in the Oval

 

Obama v. Romney

Obama was more likable

Romney was painted as an out of touch rich guy ($1m bet)

Romney had some big gaffs (binders full of women)
Economy was recovering

 

 

 

 

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Why are n00bs allowed to get in CE?


+1million.  They should stick to the business forum so we can keep that insurance sales thread going.

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Where is @Lighthouse
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

Why are n00bs allowed to get in CE?

Is it really dragging down the quality of discussion ?
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post #2426 of 8748
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Issues haven't ever really gotten anyone elected in the past 30 years.  It is all about sound bites, who seems likable, and who doesn't screw up.


Let's look at recent elections:

Bush v Clinton
Clinton was more likable
Bush seemed out of touch thanks to the media portrayal at the grocery store
The economy wasn't doing well
"Read my lips no new taxes"

Clinton v. Dole
Clinton was more likable
The economy was doing fairly well
Incumbency advantage

Bush v. Gore
Bush was more likable
Gore was painted as a robot
Parties typically don't get 3 consecutive terms in the Oval

Bush v. Kerry
Bush was more likable
Kerry was branded a flip-flopper
Kerry was branded an out-of-touch MA elitist
Kerry was branded as a coward who fled Vietnam

Obama v. McCain
Obama was more likable
McCain was branded as a crotchety old man out of touch with the youths
Historic election
Parties typically don't get 3 consecutive terms in the Oval

Obama v. Romney
Obama was more likable
Romney was painted as an out of touch rich guy ($1m bet)
Romney had some big gaffs (binders full of women)

Economy was recovering







Trump vs Republican Candidates & Clinton

Trump was painted as a non-serious candidate doing it just for fun or publicity
Trump was painted as a misogynist
Trump was branded as a racist
Trump was painted as promoting violence
Trump was branded as being a loose canon and unpredictable
Trump had some big gaffs

...Trump still won and will probably continue to win despite more negative branding and painting smile.gif
post #2427 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


Trump is popular with the people who like him however a presidential race is not a reality show.  It takes more than a couple of sound bites to get elected president.  

Barack Obama, who was unimaginably unqualified to be president, was elected twice. The first time on soundbites, the second time on...soundbites.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

The republican "debates" had no substance.  All 10,000 of them were a joke.  

I'm not sure what your point is. Surely you aren't claiming the democrat debates were substantive by comparison.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

You might not like Hillary but when it comes to issues and specifics, she has a much greater grasp of the job, a much greater understanding of the world a


Yes, Hillary's understanding of the world is what we need. After 8 years of this "enlightened" liberal philosophy, we're clearly on the right path.
Edited by suited - 5/5/16 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Colin Powell. BAM!
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Selecting Powell undercuts Trump's professed opposition to the Iraq War.
post #2429 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


His wife is what?


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Transgender Beavis?
post #2430 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


The republican "debates" had no substance.  All 10,000 of them were a joke.  "I'm going to build a great big wall with a great big door and make Mexico pay for it" might play to the rubes who only know about Trump from The Apprentice but that shite won't get him (or anyone else) elected.

You might not like Hillary but when it comes to issues and specifics, she has a much greater grasp of the job, a much greater understanding of the world as well as the different people that inhabit it and is much more qualified to be president than Trump.  If you think his bluster will somehow destroy her, just remember how she weathered the Benghazi storm.  Tag teamed by House Republicans yet she ended up looking impressive and made them all look like it was  amateur hour

How is being nuanced and coming down to specifics working for Bernie? Obama run on "hope and change", Hillary message boils down to vagina 2016. Politicians start to dig their own graves when they go down to subtance because there's more to pick apart/disagree with them. They cater to 80% that doesn't give shit about politics not 20% like you or me who actually follow it. Trump knows the game and is a good player.
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