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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Rubio's parents were both immigrants. Isn't Trump's wife an immigrant?

 

Mail-order brides don't count.  Get on the right side of history.

post #2117 of 8748
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Mail-order brides don't count.  Get on the right side of history.

She's anything but. Trained economist? I'm impressed.

Btw Vini, I'm an immigrant.

Bobby Jindal's parents immigrants...


Edit: BC, thought you were talking about Chao...yeah, Trump = mail order. laugh.gif
post #2118 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What is the "Republican approach to immigrants?"

If you look at actual policy, not all that much different from Democrats, really. But the rhetoric
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That's the MSM narrative but is it the truth? Dubya was clearly quietly about open borders. St. Ron declared amnesty for millions. Mitch McConnell, Repub Senate majority leader, is married to an immigrant.

I think it's one of those cases where you have a split between what the party establishment wants and what the "base" wants. Rubio was the establishment candidate, after all, but there was a lot of pandering to "the base" with talk about how tough they were going to be on immigration. It's easy to develop a public perception of being anti-immigrant when listen to the rhetoric during even a normal primary, much less this one.

In policy terms, there's not much separating the two parties. They don't follow through on the tough rhetoric, but people still hear the rhetoric. It's almost worse that way, at least following through would address some of the problems.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

If you look at actual policy, not all that much different from Democrats, really. But the rhetoric
I think it's one of those cases where you have a split between what the party establishment wants and what the "base" wants. Rubio was the establishment candidate, after all, but there was a lot of pandering to "the base" with talk about how tough they were going to be on immigration. It's easy to develop a public perception of being anti-immigrant when listen to the rhetoric during even a normal primary, much less this one.

In policy terms, there's not much separating the two parties. They don't follow through on the tough rhetoric, but people still hear the rhetoric. It's almost worse that way, at least following through would address some of the problems.

Gib, good reply. We just need to go back to Obama getting elected where we established it's just "shit you say to get elected."
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


"Your?" LOL.

Trump = "Republican approach?" LOL.

Deciding all immigrants come from Mexico? LOL.

Oh c'mon... I did state 'frontrunner', and never said he represented all republicans.

 

Also, 'your' as I think you'd identify more closely with a republican platform than a democratic one... though I'm sure youd say you're not of either party.

 

And I never said all immigrants come from mexico either.. just that he has had disparaging comments about certain groups of them. which is true.

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Oh c'mon... I did state 'frontrunner', and never said he represented all republicans.

Also, 'your' as I think you'd identify more closely with a republican platform than a democratic one... though I'm sure youd say you're not of either party.

And I never said all immigrants come from mexico either.. just that he has had disparaging comments about certain groups of them. which is true.


Let's see...

Pro-abortion
Pro-birth control
Pro-universal healthcare
Pro-minimum income (not wage, income)
Doesn't believe in god
Legalize drugs
Aghast at police abuses

Yeah, I'm sounding pretty Repub there...

And if you're going to use Trump's comments to represent "immigration" then you've got yourself a composite/whole fallacy going on.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


She's anything but. Trained economist? I'm impressed.

Btw Vini, I'm an immigrant.

Bobby Jindal's parents immigrants...


Edit: BC, thought you were talking about Chao...yeah, Trump = mail order. laugh.gif

:fonz:

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Gib, good reply. We just need to go back to Obama getting elected where we established it's just "shit you say to get elected."

I think your typical voter has certain expectations that politicians just say some shit to get elected, but obviously there are limits to that. Republicans are in a trap right now where harsh language on immigration is necessary to win the primaries, but hurts them in the generals. Not sure how they get out of that, other than "waiting for those old white people to die."
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Let's see...

Pro-abortion
Pro-birth control
Pro-universal healthcare
Pro-minimum income (not wage, income)
Doesn't believe in god
Legalize drugs
Aghast at police abuses

Yeah, I'm sounding pretty Repub there...

Ataturk informed us that the only reason anyone votes Democrat is for pie division. Those are not acceptable reasons.

That's the nature of a two-party system though, isn't it? If you're not a die-hard party ideologue, you're often choosing between two extremely imperfect options.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

 

Does having some views on the left preclude you from having (possibly a majority of) views on the right?

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Does having some views on the left preclude you from having (possibly a majority of) views on the right?

Well, there's a couple of things going here but the main thing is not all planks carry the same weight. Abortion, in US politics, is far more weighty an issue than say school lunches. Now, school lunches are going to get assigned "left" but no SCOTUS nominee is going to asked their views on school lunches. In all the "important" things in US politics I will be assigned a position farther along the spectrum to the left than probably you will be. Minimum income, for instance, is something even the vast majority of Dems knee jerk against so I'm farther to the left than the vast majority of Dems concerning a topic that's very important for the safety net and what has been dubbed the "inequality issue."

People tend to ignore positions of mine that align with theirs and focus on where we disagree and then decide I'm their political opposition. It's very amusing and it repeats constantly. I mean I cannot tell you how many times here a true right winger has accused me of being a left wing commie and often tag on accusations of "never having worked for a living" or the like.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Let's see...

Pro-abortion
Pro-birth control
Pro-universal healthcare
Pro-minimum income (not wage, income)
Doesn't believe in god
Legalize drugs
Aghast at police abuses
.

this is me 7 out of 7 on this list

stilll can't indentify with the left because of immigration issues, feminism and free speech/SJWism
left has gone insane
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Well, there's a couple of things going here but the main thing is not all planks carry the same weight. Abortion, in US politics, is far more weighty an issue than say school lunches. Now, school lunches are going to get assigned "left" but no SCOTUS nominee is going to asked their views on school lunches. In all the "important" things in US politics I will be assigned a position farther along the spectrum to the left than probably you will be. Minimum income, for instance, is something even the vast majority of Dems knee jerk against so I'm farther to the left than the vast majority of Dems concerning a topic that's very important for the safety net and what has been dubbed the "inequality issue."

People tend to ignore positions of mine that align with theirs and focus on where we disagree and then decide I'm their political opposition. It's very amusing and it repeats constantly. I mean I cannot tell you how many times here a true right winger has accused me of being a left wing commie and often tag on accusations of "never having worked for a living" or the like.

Fair enough.

 

Saw this is LA and thought of you

 

 

(Also thought of GF/HRoi, but for different reasons)

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I've seen a lamer version of Trump in the Atwater/Glendale area near the railroad tracks. It's been there for a while. Surprised no one has crossed it out.
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If you guys havent seen it yet, check out #TrumpBabes on twitter/instagram

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Oh c'mon... I did state 'frontrunner', and never said he represented all republicans.

Also, 'your' as I think you'd identify more closely with a republican platform than a democratic one... though I'm sure youd say you're not of either party.

And I never said all immigrants come from mexico either.. just that he has had disparaging comments about certain groups of them. which is true.

What can you say about illegal immigration (and certainly legal immigration) that won't be labeled disparaging and racist?
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