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lol ok--I'll just give you that one as a gift

now what
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

Is there an actual right-wing resentment handbook that's in circulation? If so, I'm sure it contains this procedure:

1) Do or say crazy/asinine/incompetent stuff.
2) Wait for reactions, some of them sure to be hyperbolic.
3) Say, "Haha, look at that hyperbole. See, we're actually totally rational and that crazy/asinine/incompetent stuff is cool. High five!"

You can fill in 1) with all sorts of fun! Fail to thwart biggest terrorist attack in U.S. history; start a shitty war based on a false premise; let a lot of poor people go stranded in a flooded city even though there was warning ahead of time; refer to Mexicans as criminals and rapists; talk approvingly about killing Muslims with pig-blood dipped bullets; advocate building religious discrimination into our immigration policy; hesitate to denounce KKK and white supremacist endorsement. WHEEEEEEEEEEE! It works every time!
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

Is there an actual right-wing resentment handbook that's in circulation? If so, I'm sure it contains this procedure:

1) Do or say crazy/asinine/incompetent stuff.
2) Wait for reactions, some of them sure to be hyperbolic.
3) Say, "Haha, look at that hyperbole. See, we're actually totally rational and that crazy/asinine/incompetent stuff is cool. High five!"

You can fill in 1) with all sorts of fun! Fail to thwart biggest terrorist attack in U.S. history; start a shitty war based on a false premise; let a lot of poor people go stranded in a flooded city even though there was warning ahead of time; refer to Mexicans as criminals and rapists; talk approvingly about killing Muslims with pig-blood dipped bullets; advocate building religious discrimination into our immigration policy; hesitate to denounce KKK and white supremacist endorsement. WHEEEEEEEEEEE! It works every time!

Since Dubya = Hitler, and now Trump = Dubya, obviously Trump = POTUS.
post #1788 of 8748
Hey, you're attempting syllogisms. Real step up--I'm proud of you.
post #1789 of 8748
Please, bitch...I had help.
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Maybe this is just recency bias, but this seems like an especially weak crop of candidates. Bernie is far enough left that he's got limited appeal, Hillary has all the scandal of a Clinton with her own unique flavor on top of it. Cruz is a petulant religiously minded jerk, Trump is.....Trump, and Rubio is a robot that didn't quite get the full human programming.

It was supposed to be a particularly sound Republican field. So much for that.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Maybe this is just recency bias, but this seems like an especially weak crop of candidates. Bernie is far enough left that he's got limited appeal, Hillary has all the scandal of a Clinton with her own unique flavor on top of it. Cruz is a petulant religiously minded jerk, Trump is.....Trump, and Rubio is a robot that didn't quite get the full human programming.
 

 

Yeah don't you wish there was a candidate with multiple terms of proven executive experience, bankruptcy-free business experience, crossover appeal to voters of all parties, who is both fiscally responsible and socially tolerant, and scandal-free?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #1794 of 8748
Libertarians aren't electable though. Maybe they would be if the Republican coalition cracks enough.

Where did Rand end up, polling at 1% or something?
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Yeah don't you wish there was a candidate with multiple terms of proven executive experience, bankruptcy-free business experience, crossover appeal to voters of all parties, who is both fiscally responsible and socially tolerant, and scandal-free?

Why do you hate all the FUN?
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Libertarians aren't electable though.

 

Stop repeating media talking points.

 

Boston College's basketball team went 0-18 in ACC play but people still showed up for their games.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Libertarians aren't electable though. Maybe they would be if the Republican coalition cracks enough.

Where did Rand end up, polling at 1% or something?

 

Gary Johnson was an electable Republican until he lost the 2012 nomination.  He wound up getting lost in the massive field (especially with Ron Paul running).  Johnson was a Republican governor in a blue state, and he won both elections by wide margins. 

 

Rand faced a similar fate.  He was leading the polls for awhile, then Trump jumped in, and I think he was doomed by that in conjunction with the terrorist attack in Paris which shifted the conversation from domestic policy to foreign policy.

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Originally Posted by NickCarraway View Post

Stop repeating media talking points.

Until a libertarian actually polls over 1%, it's not a talking point, it's reality.


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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Gary Johnson was an electable Republican until he lost the 2012 nomination.  He wound up getting lost in the massive field (especially with Ron Paul running).  Johnson was a Republican governor in a blue state, and he won both elections by wide margins. 

Third party candidates are always difficult to really read because they obviously know they're not going to win, so their platforms can be political statements more than realistic stances of governance.

I like about 90% of what Johnson is talking about, but cutting 43% of the federal budget is about 27 bridges too far. That's sort of the problem with libertarian platforms in general, they're so ideologically pure that they're impossible. You'll never get enough votes to win a national office with those kind of goals. I'm going to bet that his platform would be a lot more moderate if he were running as a Republican.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Until a libertarian actually polls over 1%, it's not a talking point, it's reality.

 

Name a poll that's including a Libertarian presidential candidate.

 

Start here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

 

Rasmussen, for example, is asking "If the 2016 election for president were held today, would you vote for Republican Donald Trump or Democrat Hillary Clinton?" 

 

However, even without prompting, Rasmussen reports that twenty percent of respondents are saying "some other candidate".  Yet Rasmussen won't include any other names.

 

My point is reinforced.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Until a libertarian actually polls over 1%, it's not a talking point, it's reality.
 

Well, Johnson got 0.99% in 2012, which is more than double the 2008 results - almost to that threshold.:D
 

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 Third party candidates are always difficult to really read because they obviously know they're not going to win, so their platforms can be political statements more than realistic stances of governance.

 

I like about 90% of what Johnson is talking about, but cutting 43% of the federal budget is about 27 bridges too far. That's sort of the problem with libertarian platforms in general, they're so ideologically pure that they're impossible. You'll never get enough votes to win a national office with those kind of goals. I'm going to bet that his platform would be a lot more moderate if he were running as a Republican.

 

His positions were more moderate as a Republican.  You can't run as a Libertarian and just be a Republican who supports gay marriage.

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