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Ever wonder why evangelicals are so pro-Israel? That's exactly why. And they vote.

eric isn't making this stuff up, it's mainstream political theory.

The existence of this belief is true DUH

I just don't see any convincing evidence for it being behind USA's policy in the Middle East. Which is in my opinion shaped by Realpolitik not by any religious consideration. Complete disregard of the fate of Syrian Christians being one of many and most recent example of that.
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Its guys like you who take the fun out of fundamentalism

take the fun out; leave the mental in

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Isis and the the rabid nationalism of Trump are both borne out of the same human needs. It just amazes me that so called religious people fail to recognize what a bargain with the devil it all is

What motivates Sanders' nationalism or don't you feel he's spouting pretty nativist rhetoric?


 

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Isis and the the rabid nationalism of Trump are both borne out of the same human needs. It just amazes me that so called religious people fail to recognize what a bargain with the devil it all is

What motivates Sanders' nationalism or don't you feel he's spouting pretty nativist rhetoric?


Do you really think its possible to be a politician in this country without paying tribute to the flag. Its only the level of malignancy generated in this cause by the individual that separates them. I'm not a Bernie supporter but he seems relatively benign ,with a big  emphasis on relative

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Its guys like you who take the fun out of fundamentalism

take the fun out; leave the mental in

teacha.gif


Only as it relates to illness

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The only people I have ever heard advance this thing about Revelations and Israel are outside commentators, generally quoting some fringe nut with a very tenuous connection to power. I know a lot of actual Evangelicals and none of them talk about that. They all say either "Israel is our only ally in the middle east" (not actually true but our other allies are even more nefarious) or "God granted Israel to the jews" (kind of out of date). For the most part the US state supports them because (a) they need our support which makes them a bit more dependable, (b) they are more stable and slightly less insane than other countries in the region, and (c) rich pro-Israel jews in the US give a lot of money to politicians.
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^ Exactly, Plus US doesn't need an elaborate ideological explanation to arm jihadists in Syria or scum of the Earth Saudi Arabia establishment. So whole argument how fringe religious beliefs form US policy is just naive and borders on retardation really.
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Do you really think its possible to be a politician in this country without paying tribute to the flag. Its only the level of malignancy generated in this cause by the individual that separates them. I'm not a Bernie supporter but he seems relatively benign ,with a big  emphasis on relative

Sanders' rhetoric is far beyond "paying tribute to the flag." The general thrust of Sanders’ argument is as follows: global trade undermines the sovereignty of the United States, steals "American" jobs, and results in those jobs off-shoring overseas to authoritarian regimes, resulting in declining living standards for American workers. International trade bad, those government "taking our jobs" bad, protectionism good.
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Who said the religious beliefs that form US policy are fringe.Even the military shoves chaplains in your face . You guys really should read some history books

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 . I'm not a Bernie supporter but he seems relatively benign ,with a big  emphasis on relative

Sanders' rhetoric is far beyond "paying tribute to the flag." The general thrust of Sanders’ argument is as follows: global trade undermines the sovereignty of the United States, steals "American" jobs, and results in those jobs off-shoring overseas to authoritarian regimes, resulting in declining living standards for American workers. International trade bad, those government "taking our jobs" bad, protectionism good.
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Who said the religious beliefs that form US policy are fringe.Even the military shoves chaplains in your face . You guys really should read some history books

I'm saying that "we need israel to bring about the second coming" is a fringe belief among religious people. I've lived around Evangelicals my entire life and I've never heard it from anyone but secular journalists who sloppily attribute these beliefs to them.
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A number of American evangelicals subscribe to it and the belief exerts a strong political influence in America.

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I'm saying that "we need israel to bring about the second coming" is a fringe belief among religious people. I've lived around Evangelicals my entire life and I've never heard it from anyone but secular journalists who sloppily attribute these beliefs to them.

Reserved.
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It got traction in a popular book series
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Well based on that you might as well say American foreign policy is based on the Da Vinci Code.
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Mr. President, we must lead an assault on the Louvre to recover the bones of Mary Magdalene!
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Mr. President, we must lead an assault on the Louvre to recover the bones of Mary Magdalene!


Take it for what its worth

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/11/how-the-tea-party-s-apocalyptic-politics-are-destroying-the-republican-party.html

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