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Why would an atheist care for apocalyptic prognostication, these are some Jewish fairy-tales and if it really happens(yeah right!) Jesus should save you anyway if you were a good guy.

I would support Trump if I could vote in the US(my mom is citizen, I am not and don't live in USA, but I would get it if I decided to move there). Trump is an enigma on some issues. But we pretty much know his stance on stuff like immigration, planned parenthood, military interventions, trade deals, TPP, guns. The other thing is wheter he would really follow through on these issues. Thing is people like Hillary or Jeb! are total corporate shills so they won't fix certain issues for sure. Trump maybe does, it I deem it he has a bigger chance.

Second I am overall more scared of SJWs, PCpolice and feminazis. They need to be stopped now. Their idiocy maybe lead to creating someone even worse than Trump in the western world sooner or later. Things are pretty bad in Europe now, another SJW enthusiast in the office will not make the problem of the regressive left better.. it will make it worse.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

But we pretty much know his stance on stuff like immigration, planned parenthood, military interventions, trade deals, TPP, guns. The other thing is wheter he would really follow through on these issues. 

Do we? He seems to have gone back and forth on immigration, planned parenthood and military interventions in the last week.

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He's everything to everyone 

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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Why would an atheist care for apocalyptic prognostication, these are some Jewish fairy-tales and if it really happens(yeah right!) Jesus should save you anyway if you were a good guy.

You've never had an interest in things you don't understand.Its called the pursuit of knowledge. Must be the newer generations are coming into the world fully formed and without question

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Do we? He seems to have gone back and forth on immigration, planned parenthood and military interventions in the last week.

He is pretty firm on reducing the no of illegal immigrants, he softned his stance on those on student visas.

on planned parenthood he defends it, besides the horrible part of abortion, because of his strong *cough* christian values, his stance is big improvement compared to stone-age beliefs on idiots like Rubio. But from obvious reasons just like with healthcare he can't go out of the closet too much.

He said from the beginning US should not back rebels against Assad and even leave Syria to Russia, and says war in the Iraq was a mistake. His comments on torture were idiotic though, no excuse here.

As far as I am concerned it's his stance from beginning but I may be wrong so if you have some links to videos that prove it wrong.

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called the pursuit of knowledge. Must be the newer generations are coming into the world fully formed and without question

I was devoted catholic before I became atheist, it's just if you are looking for knowledge there are better places to look than the Bible biggrin.gif

I was saying this jokingly anyway I am interested in mythology of any kind, I just maybe don't have any mysticism left in approaching it
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Why would an atheist care for apocalyptic prognostication, these are some Jewish fairy-tales and if it really happens(yeah right!) Jesus should save you anyway if you were a good guy.
Second I am overall more scared of SJWs, PCpolice and feminazis. They need to be stopped now. Their idiocy maybe lead to creating someone even worse than Trump in the western world sooner or later. Things are pretty bad in Europe now, another SJW enthusiast in the office will not make the problem of the regressive left better.. it will make it worse.

A President Trump wouldn't stop any of that because they don't get their power through the government. What's he really going to do about it?

4-8 years of an abrasive narcissist being President might actually make them look better, not roll back the tide. He's like the poster child of why PC culture became a thing (the real kind, not the mutant hell spawn that runs around on Tumblr these days). "Words mean things, don't be an asshole" shouldn't be a controversial statement.
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As far as I am concerned it's his stance from beginning but I may be wrong so if you have some links to videos that prove it wrong.

He proposed having the military kill the families of ISIS members.


Trump will say anything to sound "strong". God knows what he'd actually do while in office.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

He proposed having the military kill the families of ISIS members.
Trump will say anything to sound "strong". God knows what he'd actually do while in office.

Yeah that was retarded, not going to defend that.You might be right, it might not be worth the risk to check this out.

Still Hillary voted for every war in last 20years and would gladly get involved in Syria, sure she seems innocent compared to Trump but she will be a disaster. Her track record is terrible.If it's Bernie then sure, maybe it's not worth going YOLO with Trump but otherwise it can't get much worse, in fact im pretty sure other candidates are worse (HRC, Rubio, Cruz). He looks like low risk, high reward compared to anyone but Bernie(who has other issues).
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Why would an atheist care for apocalyptic prognostication, these are some Jewish fairy-tales and if it really happens(yeah right!) Jesus should save you anyway if you were a good guy.

Because an apocalyptic narrative (a sudden end of the world that's a reckoning from the viewpoint of transcendent judgment) directly and indirectly affects culture & politics in myriad ways. To cite a relatively direct example: American Middle Eastern policy is influenced by religious views that tie back to medieval beliefs about the end of the world being brought about by Jewish conversion to Christianity. To cite relatively indirect examples: we have an endless proliferation of movies and TV shows about versions of the apocalypse (ecological, technological, or just flat out mysterious). This form of entertainment might not have a direct, straightforward political effect, but it still shapes our imagination of what we're doing and what we're headed for. (To see a direct kind of impact, I guess you could turn to the fascination with prepping for all manner of disasters--a fascination or lifestyle choice that does hew a certain way politically.)

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Second I am overall more scared of SJWs, PCpolice and feminazis. They need to be stopped now. Their idiocy maybe lead to creating someone even worse than Trump in the western world sooner or later. Things are pretty bad in Europe now, another SJW enthusiast in the office will not make the problem of the regressive left better.. it will make it worse.

You're an idiot.
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So apocalyptic narrative dictates US presence in ME, just wow. And YOU called me an idiot.

Is it your own brain-fart or did you take it from one of the Chomsky's books?
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

Oh it's great fun. We do things daily that would get someone fired from a corporate job. Just last week we tricked one of my guys to get on a pallet and then used a forklift to lift him about 15 feet in the air and left him there.

I saw that on The Wire and it was funny.

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do you think this to be true of trump supporters too ?

Indeed.
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To this ninja edit: yes, many of their positions are radically different, however, my statement is many of these folks hold their radically different positions but with similar motivations. You clearly do not want to contemplate many of these folks are driven by the same rather malicious self-interest and I understand that motivation also.

That's what I said earlier and why Eric is explaining to everyone how wrong I am. I think a material amount of Bernie and Trump backers are supporting their candidate for very similar motivations; Eric disagrees.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

So apocalyptic narrative dictates US presence in ME, just wow. And YOU called me an idiot.

Is it your own brain-fart or did you take it from one of the Chomsky's books?

Ever wonder why evangelicals are so pro-Israel? That's exactly why. And they vote.

eric isn't making this stuff up, it's mainstream political theory.
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It's like wojt and lighthouse learn certain words and form emotional associations with them but have no idea what they mean. Chomsky = librul and bad! I think Eric's idea is bad! Eric got it from Chomsky!

Why the fuck would I turn to Chomsky to explain the belief that when Jews convert, Jesus will come back? That's a longstanding belief. A number of American evangelicals subscribe to it and the belief exerts a strong political influence in America. I find this sad and ridiculous as a state of affairs, but it's, uhh, simply true, as Gibonius points out.
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Isis and the the rabid nationalism of Trump are both borne out of the same human needs. It just amazes me that so called religious people fail to recognize what a bargain with the devil it all is

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It's like wojt and lighthouse learn certain words and form emotional associations with them but have no idea what they mean. Chomsky = librul and bad! I think Eric's idea is bad! Eric got it from Chomsky!

Why the fuck would I turn to Chomsky to explain the belief that when Jews convert, Jesus will come back? That's a longstanding belief. A number of American evangelicals subscribe to it and the belief exerts a strong political influence in America. I find this sad and ridiculous as a state of affairs, but it's, uhh, simply true, as Gibonius points out.


Its guys like you who take the fun out of fundamentalism

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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

Isis and the the rabid nationalism of Trump are both borne out of the same human needs. It just amazes me that so called religious people fail to recognize what a bargain with the devil it all is

What motivates Sanders' nationalism or don't you feel he's spouting pretty nativist rhetoric?
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