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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

Oh come on. People do not need to go into 50k+ debt in order to make money. Manufacturing is scrambling for skilled workers but people look down on high paying blue collar work to the point where they will go into debt in order to avoid calloused hands.

most people don't even go to college to make money, which is what's sad. they go there to party, find themselves, and "because everyone else does it." maybe find their lifelong passion, or something.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Not many illegals working skilled manufacturing jobs.

Raytheon and Boeing cannot hire every American with HS degree.

There used to be many industries in US that offered decent living wage to people without college. Thanks to our government these industries have been turned into black market.

Spanish speaking illegals work very solid blue-collar jobs that used to pay over 20/hour. Now thanks to uncontrolled black market of cheap labor RE construction industry is pretty much no-option for anyone who wants to provide for the family.
Ocean freight Co. hire illegals in NJ and NYC as manual laborers , warehouse workers, shipping managers etc.
Another industry is office-cleaning companies, they are all outsourced to affirmative action bullshit 'minority' owners who then in turn hire illegals to cut costs and push anyone out of the market. To complete in these industries in America you have to brake the law and cheat.
Restaurant cooks in NYC , NJ, MA, CT even CapeCod are illegals. Those were tough and badly paying jobs before , but now with exploiting illegal labour no American in the right mind would apply to these.
These are just a few examples that come to mind. I am sure there are many other areas of business where cheating is the way.
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Originally Posted by ppllzz View Post

most people don't even go to college to make money, which is what's sad. they go there to party, find themselves, and "because everyone else does it." maybe find their lifelong passion, or something.

I know a girl 160k in debt with a social work degree that just pines about the fun she had with her sorority.
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

Raytheon and Boeing cannot hire every American with HS degree.

There used to be many industries in US that offered decent living wage to people without college. Thanks to our government these industries have been turned into black market.

Spanish speaking illegals work very solid blue-collar jobs that used to pay over 20/hour. Now thanks to uncontrolled black market of cheap labor RE construction industry is pretty much no-option for anyone who wants to provide for the family.
Ocean freight Co. hire illegals in NJ and NYC as manual laborers , warehouse workers, shipping managers etc.
Another industry is office-cleaning companies, they are all outsourced to affirmative action bullshit 'minority' owners who then in turn hire illegals to cut costs and push anyone out of the market. To complete in these industries in America you have to brake the law and cheat.
Restaurant cooks in NYC , NJ, MA, CT even CapeCod are illegals. Those were tough and badly paying jobs before , but now with exploiting illegal labour no American in the right mind would apply to these.
These are just a few examples that come to mind. I am sure there are many other areas of business where cheating is the way.

A lot of the native born tradesmen in Texas have fled to other states because they can no longer make a decent wage here. My brother owns a construction business and swears that he can't find any citizens to do the work. It's probably true after a couple of generations of attrition, and considering that he has to compete with other contractors who are paying illegal labor rates.
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

Raytheon and Boeing cannot hire every American with HS degree.

There used to be many industries in US that offered decent living wage to people without college. Thanks to our government these industries have been turned into black market.

Spanish speaking illegals work very solid blue-collar jobs that used to pay over 20/hour. Now thanks to uncontrolled black market of cheap labor RE construction industry is pretty much no-option for anyone who wants to provide for the family.
Ocean freight Co. hire illegals in NJ and NYC as manual laborers , warehouse workers, shipping managers etc.
Another industry is office-cleaning companies, they are all outsourced to affirmative action bullshit 'minority' owners who then in turn hire illegals to cut costs and push anyone out of the market. To complete in these industries in America you have to brake the law and cheat.
Restaurant cooks in NYC , NJ, MA, CT even CapeCod are illegals. Those were tough and badly paying jobs before , but now with exploiting illegal labour no American in the right mind would apply to these.
These are just a few examples that come to mind. I am sure there are many other areas of business where cheating is the way.

That's a great post, educated people tend to forget that big immigration takes jobs, it's just not their jobs. Big immigration plays into the hands of business since they can drive the wages down or on in some cases have to, to stay competitive.
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

I've been running around a machine shop since I was 8. Started by deburring parts and learned over the last 20 years. I went to a good school and got my masters in accounting and I make more than literally every single person I graduated with, have freedom to do what I need and I don't work accounting hours ever.

My father was a tool and die guy. I have a cousin that does tool and die and a teenage friend of mine went into it. It's certainly better than working the line at an assembly plant.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

I'm on sabbatical. Teaching is for plebs.
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

So you're one of those long-hair SJW professors?

It's almost as if you're a bot mindlessly churning out catchphrases without any underlying grasp of reason.

Except bots can be charming in their almost-human qualities.
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You guys better watch your steps . If you keep this up you'r going to get me going about unions

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Or worse yet get me going about unions.
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Piob's nuanced, well-researched thesis re: unions:

I grew up in a union town those union people r lazy overreachers they ruined my town unions are bad

FIN
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I sleep better at night knowing you're molding the minds of our youth.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I sleep better at night knowing you're molding the minds of our youth. after two bottles of wine and four martinis.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

Piob's nuanced, well-researched thesis re: unions:

I grew up in a union town those union people r lazy overreachers they ruined my town unions are bad

FIN

I think we can all agree that unions were designed by Communists to destroy America through corruption, laziness, stupidity, incompetence, racism, murder, intimidation, drunkenness, slovenliness, and hatred.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

No they're not. In lieu of substantive or substantiated commentary, you offered some impressionistic remarks about how "Trump and Bernie supporters" feel--namely, what such people are resentful of and what they want. Others in this thread chimed in to suggest that your impressions didn't line up with their experiences of what various groups of Americans want and expect. You just want to double down and insist that your impressions & intuitions are right.

You know what made me smile about this post? Apparently the "impressionistic remarks" of a couple of other posters are superior to mine...as they more align with the unsubstantiated commentary you would prefer be true. When given data of equal weight just pick that which one wishes to be true.
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^ You know what makes me smile about this? It's exactly how I expected you to react. Except that's not what I meant. If we're slinging anecdotes and impressions as if they're evidence, then other people's life stories count. They're all partial, distorted, and of limited usefulness. But you seem unable to realize that other people don't weight your personal experience above others'.

Note that my claim that Bernie & Trump support are similar only formally but not in terms of content doesn't derive from my fuzzy stories of people across America. It's a claim about fact: their positions are radically different.
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