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OK, already. What is that white spot in Cruz's mouth?
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Piece of gum.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What I would like to say to many folks from both the hardcore Bernie camp and the hardcore Trump camp is, "You know it just might be you that fucked up your life and not (the rapist Mexican who stole your job / the non-existent CEO boogeyman that exported your job)? You know it's up to you how you decided to live your life, and just possibly, you're not that special and were never going to succeed in the first place."

It's ridiculous that people of average intelligence should have to go 50 grand into debt to go to college just to be able to find a decent paying job. This imo is the big issue driving the various strains of populism currently arising. I know, bootstraps, personal responsibility, person X made a billion dollars, etc., but by definition half of all people are below average, and they deserve some consideration too. A society where only those who can crawl to the top of the pyramid can achieve any kind of stability is not a good society, even if you feel personally it works for ubermenschen like yourself.

Unfortunately Bernies solution of "FREE COLLEGE" is just furthering the waste. Finding a way to bring profitable blue collar work back to the US is the way to go. Can Trump achieve this? I have no idea. It's a big task, but being concerned about it at least puts him ahead of most mainstream politicians.
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People are missing my point. It has nothing to do with discussing what type of society we want but rather what the Bernie and Trump supporters see as the root cause of our current situation which is untenable for many. My comments have nothing to do with how I feel society should be ordered (hell, I back a minimum income) but rather how the erstwhile supporters have diagnosed the issues and how they feel their candidate will fix them. Munch came closet to one of my points in that since we know 50% of folks are below average why is it 100% of Trump and Bernie rabid supporters think they're all outliers on the right side of the curve? They just seem to know if some external and nefarious powers were not at work it would be them in the 1%.
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One of my friends made this

for the squares in the audience it's a parody of this
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They just seem to know if some external and nefarious powers were not at work it would be them in the 1%.

Isn't that the core American identity myth? Nobody is poor, they're just temporarily inconvenienced millionaires. It's against the American mentality to ever admit that you're fundamentally average or worse.
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Isn't that the core American identity myth? Nobody is poor, they're just temporarily inconvenienced millionaires. It's against the American mentality to ever admit that you're fundamentally average or worse.

Most of the people I grew up with in the Midwest were content with their situation in life. Becoming rich or achieving social status was not a priority for them, or something they even considered. They were happy staying in their hometown and raising a family.
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Most of the people I grew up with in the Midwest were content with their situation in life. Becoming rich or achieving social status was not a priority for them, or something they even considered. They were happy staying in their hometown and raising a family.

This is true of most middle class people. Not sure where Piob is getting the idea that the populist uprising consists of people who think they should be millionaires. They are mostly people who feel that the modestly secure lifestyle that they want, and that previous generations of workers enjoyed, is in danger.
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Isn't that the core American identity myth? Nobody is poor, they're just temporarily inconvenienced millionaires. It's against the American mentality to ever admit that you're fundamentally average or worse.

Horatio and all that.
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This is true of most middle class people. Not sure where Piob is getting the idea that the populist uprising consists of people who think they should be millionaires. They are mostly people who feel that the modestly secure lifestyle that they want, and that previous generations of workers enjoyed, is in danger.

Modestly secure? My older sibs and their spouses that worked for the Big 3 were far more than that. Any idea how much the old school pensions are worth at the Big 3? The ones so many started collecting at 50 and 55? Ever see some of their houses, boats, cabins, 5th wheels? My older sibs all lead pretty sweet lives for being clock punchers.
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Isn't that the core American identity myth? Nobody is poor, they're just temporarily inconvenienced millionaires. It's against the American mentality to ever admit that you're fundamentally average or worse.

Maybe that's 'cause most people are in almost every one of the income brackets at some point in their lives.
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Maybe that's 'cause most people are in almost every one of the income brackets at some point in their lives.

were not are

I think we I can make a safe bet that somewhere in very near future it won't be the case anymore, that's why people are dissatisfied
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

People are missing my point.

No they're not. In lieu of substantive or substantiated commentary, you offered some impressionistic remarks about how "Trump and Bernie supporters" feel--namely, what such people are resentful of and what they want. Others in this thread chimed in to suggest that your impressions didn't line up with their experiences of what various groups of Americans want and expect. You just want to double down and insist that your impressions & intuitions are right.
Edited by erictheobscure - 3/4/16 at 12:53pm
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Many years ago I had a philosophy prof in college who would write statements on the blackboard accompanied with instructions to"clarify and criticize" Eric would have done well in that class

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Many years ago I had a philosophy prof in college who would write statements on the blackboard accompanied with instructions to"clarify and criticize" Eric would have done well in that class

I'm pretty sure that Eric teaches those sort of classes.
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