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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

The interesting thing about the gotcha paradigm is that it applies to both parties, and the public claims to hate it but brutally punishes candidates who screw up. Trump has proven immune to it, but the people who are refusing to punish him (by changing their poll responses) could easily have done the same for other candidates. They just...didn't, choosing to accept the media narrative that candidates need to be stale and calculated and safe.


It's the perfect game for the media, because it creates this guarded environment where everyone has to pander to the media and the public is constantly watching news reports to see who destroyed themselves that week. Good for Trump for refusing to play it and getting away with it, but it would be nice if the public could realize that it doesn't take a bloviating jackass to be immune to this game. It just takes the voting public refusing to play along.

Interesting observation...

I kind of liken it to men trying to succeed in the bar/singles scene. Or Tinder/texting, whatever kids are using these days to get laid.

Girls are continually throwing out tests for you to pass in a similar manner to the media. They might say "your such a pig, i didnt think anyone still held such backward opinions, i could never..." In this context, if you play it straight and back down, your night isnt going anywhere with the girl. She (unconsciously) is trying to find out if you're a pussy, and you failed. Most guys learn this by the time they're about 20 in the dating context. Why is it so hard for politicians to internalize it? Perhaps it's a hard move to pull off when your entire life is scripted and focus-grouped.

That's a juvenile analogy, but I think something similar must be at play with trump. A bit of whining aside, he has strong natural alpha dog instincts, and I think this endears him to a lot of people.
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Pio wins the lollipop . If your interested at at all you really need to look into the Dulles brothers two commie hating Dutch Calvinists who between of them ruled US foreign policy under  Eisenhower and beyond. In all fairness to Trickey Dick ,he was handed an escalated , unwinnable war that Americans were already wanting to wash their hands of

 

Speaking of...

 

The Dulles Brothers and Their Legacy of Perpetual War

http://original.antiwar.com/Dan_Sanchez/2016/02/29/dulles-brothers-legacy-perpetual-war/

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The left/MSM have invented the gotcha antidote and I've noticed it's very effective for those so inclined to buy it. No matter what "gotcha" sound byte or video gets dug up it's all just "taken out of context," and when properly contextualized, actually demonstrates how on point their guy/gal is.
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As for the Ronnie Raygun a quick tour of US policy in south and central America goes a long way toward explaining that

 

Then why doesn't Obama get the same treatment for bombing nearly twice as many countries (seven) as George W. Bush (four) and significantly increasing the number of countries in which CIA/special forces/black ops operate (estimates are between seventy-five and 134)?

The draft, hippies and vietnam vets. Anachronisms in todays world

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It's possible for DT to condemn something un-PC while sticking to his guns and keeping true to the (idiotic) style that has brought him success so far. As his success continues it' s only natural that he becomes a little more cautious as he realizes that he actually has a chance to become the nominee - he was clearly worried about alienating a sizable segment of his base support

And right before super Tuesday.

Trump's stance on immigration has put him where he is today. Trump has gotten a pass from the base on almost every issue. Part of this allegiance is due to racism, but most if it has to do with immigration being linked to every domestic issue. Doesn't matter if it's crime, entitlements, or a cultural divide that makes their kids' school ban Halloween celebrations because of "diversity," people are angry and a lot of that anger is justified. They are tired of being told that policies which are clearly insane are somehow sensible and enlightened.

If we had a more sensible immigration policy toward cultures that aren't friendly to the west, would we have to choose between safety and domestic spying? Maybe, but the choice wouldn't be so stark. That much is certain. It's amazing to watch this conversation about domestic spying, including the Apple ordeal, and have to pretend that nobody can figure out why we have to make these decisions or why security and privacy have become mutually exclusive. I guess we just magically ended up in this predicament and it can't be traced back to any policy, and nothing could have been done differently to prevent it.

...and then people are shocked when Trump's poll numbers go up after he mentions reforming immigration of Muslims into the U.S. They can't figure it out.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Yeah, but history has been re-written, and it was Nixon that got the us into Vietnam. Go ask ten 25 year olds what president got the US into Vietnam.
I'd be willing to bet that at least half don't know when the Vietnam War was, much less who any of the Presidents were during it.
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“I could not help remembering how economic turmoil had conspired with Nazi nationalism and militarism—all intensified by Germany’s defeat in World War I​—to send the world reeling into catastrophe. . . . It is not entirely mistaken to contemplate our postelection state with fear and trembling.”

 

- John Roth, a Holocaust scholar at Claremont College

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...writing about Ronald Reagan

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Originally Posted by SixOhNine View Post

I'd be willing to bet that at least half don't know when the Vietnam War was, much less who any of the Presidents were during it.

Even back when I went to high school, we barely talked about anything post-WWII besides the civil rights movement in the main history sequence. Wouldn't surprise me if kids don't know anything about it, all the modern history gets shaved off to accommodate the standardized test requirements.


I was lucky and had a high level history class that was totally flexible at the teacher's discussion, and we did a significant study of Vietnam.
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And right before super Tuesday.

Trump's stance on immigration has put him where he is today. Trump has gotten a pass from the base on almost every issue. Part of this allegiance is due to racism, but most if it has to do with immigration being linked to every domestic issue. Doesn't matter if it's crime, entitlements, or a cultural divide that makes their kids' school ban Halloween celebrations because of "diversity," people are angry and a lot of that anger is justified. They are tired of being told that policies which are clearly insane are somehow sensible and enlightened.

If we had a more sensible immigration policy toward cultures that aren't friendly to the west, would we have to choose between safety and domestic spying? Maybe, but the choice wouldn't be so stark. That much is certain. It's amazing to watch this conversation about domestic spying, including the Apple ordeal, and have to pretend that nobody can figure out why we have to make these decisions or why security and privacy have become mutually exclusive. I guess we just magically ended up in this predicament and it can't be traced back to any policy, and nothing could have been done differently to prevent it.

...and then people are shocked when Trump's poll numbers go up after he mentions reforming immigration of Muslims into the U.S. They can't figure it out.

 

Let's be honest, Trump is the first candidate since probably Bill Clinton who really represents poor whites.  Sanders is doing the same thing on the other side though his support is more limited to the young.  They're both offer very authoritarian solutions to the problems (real or perceived) to that group of people.

Ultimately, on the Dem side, Hillary will be victorious because of the super delegates and the South, but because of the new rules the GOP introduced, they can't stop Trump without a miracle.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Even back when I went to high school, we barely talked about anything post-WWII besides the civil rights movement in the main history sequence. Wouldn't surprise me if kids don't know anything about it, all the modern history gets shaved off to accommodate the standardized test requirements.


I was lucky and had a high level history class that was totally flexible at the teacher's discussion, and we did a significant study of Vietnam.



Agreed.  So much of our time was spent on Civil War and Reconstruction.  Obviously a lot on Revolutionary times too.

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If my daughter mentions to her friends that her dad was in vietnam they think we were on vacation 

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PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR THE TRUMP CANDIDACY

my body is ready
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also many of the people i work with (democrats) are torn between voting for a democratic candidate or trying to sabotage trump because the thought of him as the nominee is so disgusting.
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An amazing election is coming up.

A candidate that can't beat the damaged Hillary is inept.

A candidate that can't beat the buffoon Trump is ridiculous.

Can't wait.
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

also many of the people i work with (democrats) are torn between voting for a democratic candidate or trying to sabotage trump because the thought of him as the nominee is so disgusting.


This doesn't make sense. How is voting for a democrat different than voting against Trump

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Originally Posted by NickCarraway View Post

Which outlet you cited is generally non-interventionist?  Pro drug-decriminalization?  Anti-PATRIOT Act and surveillance?

Uh huh.

Here's one: http://www.democracynow.org/

You might not like that media/news outlet--I have no idea what your personal tastes or whatever are. But it's there and it has a fairly broad circulation. I'm not sure what's so hard to decipher about my position: talking about "the media" as a singular entity is retrograde, stupid, or disingenuous because there are a wide range of outlets and people increasingly flock to the outlets that cater to them (which is a familiar problem and not at all a new one).

And of course Piob's gonna do his weaselly "left/MSM" and think he's clever.
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