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post #1171 of 8748
Cruz got a mixed bag with New York Values. He knows NY is lost, but the 9/11 imagery is potent. At some point, he needs to call Trump out on particular issues, making him say more that "I'll be great" or "A bunch of Russians like me, they will love me."

For conservatives, the takings case cuts to the heart of our values. Cruz can hurt Trump on that issue.

All that said, I still want my border wall, with crocidiles and electric eels and razor wire..


[Please note the bad spelling and grimmer]
Edited by Lighthouse - 1/22/16 at 5:09pm
post #1172 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Cruz got a mixed bag with New York Values. He knows NY is lost, but the 9/11 imagery is potent. At some point, he needs to call Trump out on particular issues, making him say more that "I'll be great" or "A bunch of Russians like me, they will love me."

For conservatives, the takings case cuts to the heart of our values. Cruz can hurt Trump on that issue.

All that said, I still want my border wall, with crocidiles and electric eels and razor wire..

Realistically I see Cruz doing nothing since he is such a politician. He's too scared to go as hard as trump in the smere world as trump as his career is based entirely on politics. Trump can be fucked up and step back for a year and go on with his regular operating procedure.
post #1173 of 8748
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

Realistically I see Cruz doing nothing since he is such a politician. He's too scared to go as hard as trump in the smere world as trump as his career is based entirely on politics. Trump can be fucked up and step back for a year and go on with his regular operating procedure.


But would Trump use the opportunity to destroy D.C. or would he sell out for his own business interest?

If the only thing he accomplishes is a big bad electric death-wall to keep out future Democrats and MS-13 gang members, I'm all for him.
post #1174 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

But would Trump use the opportunity to destroy D.C. or would he sell out for his own business interest?

If the only thing he accomplishes is a big bad electric death-wall to keep out future Democrats and MS-13 gang members, I'm all for him.

Personally I think he would destroy dc since he is now in a part of his life where his legacy is more important than wealth accumulation. His children will get insanely rich for this(not like they already weren't)
post #1175 of 8748
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

Cruz made the claim that the GOP establishment is abandoning Rubio and flocking over to Trump , painting the latter as the establishment candidate in his prediction of dualistic race at the end between status quo and a real conservative. But when pressed for names, all he said was that it's happening more and more by the day. Given that the national review and co. are out to bash Trump, I wonder what exactly Cruz is talking about ?

Is this another vague attempt like the "New York values" comment that totally backfired because it lacked specificity ?

Doesn't he know only trump can say those types of things and then double down rather than give proof?
post #1176 of 8748
Trump wades into psychopath territory, stating that he coul shoot someone in middle of 5th Ave and still not lose.

National spokeswoman Katrina Pierson asks the Hitler-esque question,
"Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left? #CNNDebate"
post #1177 of 8748
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

Trump wades into psychopath territory, stating that he coul shoot someone in middle of 5th Ave and still not lose.

National spokeswoman Katrina Pierson asks the Hitler-esque question,
"Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left? #CNNDebate"

That tweet is very old news as it was made during the 2012 election cycle.
post #1178 of 8748
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/how-trump-is-exposing-medias-diversity-problem/426633/

How Trump Is Exposing Media's Diversity Problem
The Republican frontrunner’s divisive rhetoric reveals demographic disparities that have inadvertently contributed to his surge.


Argues that Trump supporters dislike the media because it has a "diversity problem." Which is true enough, if you meant a diversity of viewpoints or opinions. But, no, of course not. The author means a supposed lack of hispanics and blacks. One of the commentors absolutely nailed it:
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The fact that this article got published says more about Trump's appeal than the content of the article does.

As others have noted, the article's argument is weak. The author found an oddly unqualified source (a PhD candidate at Penn????) to give some quotes about lack of diversity in the media, and then tried to tie in that lack of diversity to Trump's appeal. One tiny data point in the article (that only 7% of the media are Republican) is relevant. The rest is worse than extraneous. It's utter nonsense that makes clear the author has no idea what she's talking about. To suggest that Trump supporters are at all angry that white men, rather than minorities and women, are dominant in the media is the height of absurdity.

To put it bluntly, Trump supporters don't care about that shit.

What they do care about is lack of opportunity for themselves and their families, and it's no accident that they're mostly working class whites. To demonstrate how working class whites get screwed in our current hierarchy of wealth and privilege, look no farther than this article.

The author, Valeria Pelet, is a recent graduate of Harvard, who landed a high prestige job at The Atlantic. Was she qualified for this job? Judging by the quality of this piece, no. Was she qualified to go to Harvard? Judging by the quality of the writing she displays here, and the lack of coherent thought or ability to make a persuasive argument, again, no.

So how did it come to pass that she got into Harvard and landed a job at a prestigious media institution? A quick Google search combined with this article tells us that:

1) She was born in Puerto Rico.

2) She is willing to play her Hispanic immigrant identity card for all it's worth (she studied Latin American history and wrote her thesis on 'the political evolution of a Puerta Rican urban music band' - source here https://valeriampelet.wordpres... )

3) She is willing to carry the water for the cultural hegemony - witness how hard she tried to tie in the narrative of a racist America that is dominated by white people into an article where that line of argument isn't just out of context, but entirely out of place.

In other words, Ms. Pelet herself is evidence of why Trump has become so popular with working class whites. Ms. Pelet clearly doesn't have the intellectual acumen to be among the elite of the elite, yet she got into Harvard anyway because, if you're Puerto Rican, you don't need to be elite. You just need to be good enough.

The child of a working class white Trump supporter, who gets higher test scores than Ms. Pelet, who writes better arguments than Ms. Pelet, and is capable of doing better work in journalism or any other rigorous field than Ms. Pelet, doesn't get into Harvard. The child of a working class white family barely gets into State College, and does so with no scholarship money, even though she had better test scores than most of the minorities who got financial help.

The child of a working class white family doesn't get a job at The Atlantic, even though she can write a better column than Ms. Pelet just did. Worst of all, even if that child did get a job at The Atlantic, she wouldn't be allowed to speak the truth as I am doing in this comment. She'd have to create spectacular logical leaps that both condemn Trump supporters as dumb racists while also condemning the media for being dominated by the white male patriarchy. She'd have to write nonsense, like Ms. Pelet just did.

Ms. Pelet has shown herself worthy of that kind of work, which is why she got the job, and is also why working class whites are pissed. People are lining up behind Trump because, whatever his flaws, he's not buying into the bullshit system that got Ms. Pelet a job at The Atlantic, but instead, is promising to overthrow it.
post #1179 of 8748
So then what about this guy from the article?
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Some Trump supporters still aren’t comfortable, and even feel embarrassed, defending Trump’s positions in public. “I have dreams where I go on the record and say that I’m Hispanic and I love Trump,” a 22-year-old Hispanic male who backs Trump told me. He declined to have his name published, however, because he’s interviewing for internships and did not want his name showing up next to Trump’s online. “My support is not just a fling or based on superficial facts. I have a political-science degree from one of the best schools in the country. I did my research, formulated an opinion, and I support him and it upsets me that I don’t have the freedom to talk about it,” he said.

Since he's Hispanic, even though he has a poly-sci degree from one of the country's best schools, is his opinion (support of Trump) dubious as he's just a know-nothing affirmative action recipient?
post #1180 of 8748
Was that a trick question?

Is there any 22-year old whose political opinions I should care about?
post #1181 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Was that a trick question?

Is there any 22-year old whose political opinions I should care about?

All the ones that will be voting as their vote counts just as much as yours and mine.
post #1182 of 8748
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

Trump wades into psychopath territory, stating that he coul shoot someone in middle of 5th Ave and still not lose.

National spokeswoman Katrina Pierson asks the Hitler-esque question,
"Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left? #CNNDebate"


Trump is not politically correct. Most voters have baked that into the pie already. I'm ok with a reckless, selfish, nasty, overbearing, antisocial crazy man, as long as he builds my wall.

Heck, the last 8 years have proved that the USA can survive paranoid, narcissist, petty tyrants in the White House.
post #1183 of 8748
Trump's problem is that most of his supporters are the people who won't vote because they're afraid they'll then be called for jury duty
post #1184 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Trump is not politically correct. Most voters have baked that into the pie already. I'm ok with a reckless, selfish, nasty, overbearing, antisocial crazy man, as long as he builds my wall.

Heck, the last 8 years have proved that the USA can survive paranoid, narcissist, petty tyrants in the White House.

My fear is that Trump shoves us in the opposite direction with no regard for the constitution, and even though this has been happening for quite some time it's been worse under Obama and could become much worse under Trump. We don't want a tug of war between parties to see who can be more authoritarian. At this point I'm not sure which direction we'd get shoved in. Trump isn't a constitutional conservative, that much we know. It's difficult to believe anything he says or know where his heart is - and that's assuming he has principles to begin with. Some of Trump's most passionate supporters don't want a constitutional conservative, they want the republican version of Barack Obama - someone to enact revenge by whatever means necessary.
post #1185 of 8748
If Trump gets elected it will be completely different for him than it was for Obama. In 2008 Obama supporters were orgasmic, and to voice any thoughts he would not be the greatest POTUS ever, was to be accused of being a racist so many of folks not in support of him just muzzled it vs. risking the "racist" label. The Dems in office were also orgasmic (I actually swear Le Pelosi had a few at the podium while using that monstrous prop gavel). With Trump to support him is to be racist and the elected Repubs are not happy with him.
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