Seeing as this is a style forum after all, lets look at this first from a style perspective. The collar popped up does not look good (yes, I know that's a personal distinction), many some people can pull it off, but being able to pull something off hardly makes it good. The reason the lapels on a jacket / suit look good either up or down, is because the jacket was designed to be worn either down, in standard situations, or up if the weather takes a turn for the worse. Polo shirt collars were not designed to pop-up, nay they were designed to stay down. Regarding the troglodytes on that particular forum, whilst barring the poster whom made the stupendous comment "I dismiss your bitter plebian banter as mere jealous rage. I'm better than you and my clothing should reflect that. Kiss my purple label ass." The posters are obviously of the lower upper middle (many time upper middle, even if they hide it at all costs) class. The aforementioned class of people believe that (for the most part, and most of them) money is the circle of life, it is both the means and the end, while most people see it as the means to an end. Many of them see Yale as a means to make money, and they will spend the money on Yale so they can make even more money, so they can find ways to make even more money (greed without end). Erudition and money are only connected in whereas money can help purchase a better education, better books; you can travel to Athens and see the Parthenon, rather than just read about it in a book. But that is where the connection ends and the distinction begins. All the self-made billionaires did not come from the aforementioned families. Your Ralph Lauren's, Bill Gates, and Larry Ellison's of the world did not come from industrialist families, it's Bill Gates, not Bill Vanderbilt. Money might bring power and privilege, but it does not bring intelligence (not to start a political thread, but being non-partisan for a second: Look at G.W. Bush jr., is that anyone's definition of intelligence?) nor does it bring style. I am wearing a Polo shirt today (white custom-fit pink pony), and I can say before God, and as an honest man, I tell you that wearing my polo up would not only ruin the look, but also it would ruin everything Renee Lacoste was trying to achieve with the polo shirt. Jon.