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post #76 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:16pm
do lobsters fall in love? I didn't think so.
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post #77 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by mordecai View Post
I could understand it not being a concern of yours, but you don't get it? Really?
It isn't different from eating chickens or fish or whatever. They just happen to need killing at the last moment, so we are forced to do it ourselves. Maybe we are so removed from our food that it seems morally difficult, but not to me.
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post #78 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:18pm
The woes of lobster are far down on my list of things to possibly find moral outrage in.
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post #79 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:22pm
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It isn't different from eating chickens or fish or whatever. They just happen to need killing at the last moment, so we are forced to do it ourselves. Maybe we are so removed from our food that it seems morally difficult, but not to me.

Yeah, I feel a lot worse eating tasty lamb than I do eating lobster. I've tried to cut back on my beef, lamb, and pork consumption since they're higher organisms than poultry or fish.

With respect to lobster, I've heard it's actually more humane to just toss them in boiling water than it is to give them the lobotomy first. Also easier on your sharp knives.
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post #80 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:22pm
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Is it any less humane to boil a lobster than it is to shock a cow's brain and then slit its throat?
Yes, that's the point. Would you prefer that a cow be cooked alive if somebody discovered that the flavor was improved? Oysters are like plants. A lot of vegetarians eat them.
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post #81 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:23pm
I'll sprinkle some science in here:

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Similar to insects, the nervous system of a lobster is very simple and neither insects nor lobsters have real brains. Lobsters have a series of 15 nervous ganglia that span the length of the lobster, on the ventral side or belly side, with nerves projecting from each of these ganglia. The first ganglion is the closest thing to a brain. In general, for an organism to perceive pain it must have a complex nervous system. Many scientists that are studying the nervous system of lobsters tell us that they do not process pain. Lobsters don't have a cerebral cortex, which is where pain is processed in humans or dogs and cats. If they do feel pain, it is most definitely in a different way than humans do. A new study out of Norway concluded that most invertebrates - including lobsters, crabs, worms, snails, slugs and clams - probably don't have the capacity to feel pain
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post #82 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:23pm
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It isn't different from eating chickens or fish or whatever. They just happen to need killing at the last moment, so we are forced to do it ourselves. Maybe we are so removed from our food that it seems morally difficult, but not to me.

Not my point.
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post #83 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:24pm
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Not my point.

What is?
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post #84 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:25pm
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I was curious about people's thoughts on boiling lobsters. I've heard many arguments about why it is not as inhumane as boiling, say, a rabbit alive, but I still have moral hangups that prevent me from doing it

Boiling a rabbit alive is inhumaine?
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post #85 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:25pm
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What is?
What I responded to your comment on the last page with. Christ.
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Boiling a rabbit alive is inhumaine?
Yes. Christ, do people do this?
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post #86 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by mordecai View Post
Yes, that's the point. Would you prefer that a cow be cooked alive if somebody discovered that the flavor was improved?

Oysters are like plants. A lot of vegetarians eat them.

A lot of self proclaimed vegetarians eat fish, but that doesn't make fish not animals. Oysters are still living creatures no matter what anyone else says.
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post #87 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:27pm
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A lot of self proclaimed vegetarians eat fish, but that doesn't make fish not animals. Oysters are still living creatures no matter what anyone else says.
invertebrates, and vertebrates are very different, obviously.
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post #88 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by montecristo#4 View Post
Yeah, I feel a lot worse eating tasty lamb than I do eating lobster. I've tried to cut back on my beef, lamb, and pork consumption since they're higher organisms than poultry or fish.

With respect to lobster, I've heard it's actually more humane to just toss them in boiling water than it is to give them the lobotomy first. Also easier on your sharp knives.
Lambs are adorable. Every time I drive by a farm with little babies, I cry inside.
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post #89 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:33pm
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I'll sprinkle some science in here:

Yes, I'm aware that they have no cerebral cortex. I'm not claiming that they suffer in the same way that a human would suffer. My dilemma is in regards to whether that makes it OK to kill them over the course of a minute in boiling water.
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post #90 of 123
3/31/11 at 1:36pm
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Yes, I'm aware that they have no cerebral cortex. I'm not claiming that they suffer in the same way that a human would suffer. My dilemma is in regards to whether that makes it OK to kill them over the course of a minute in boiling water.
Do you eat lobster killed by others?
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