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Originally Posted by ManofKent View Post
Originally Posted by kulata View Post
It's one of those rules I promptly dismissed as silly. Maybe their is an historical precedence to it.
+1 Suede shoes suit a linen or cotton suit perfectly

 

Yes, suede in summer is just as nice as in winter. From wingtips to loafers to drivers, all perfectly fine to wear in summer, though it does help if they're slightly lighter in shade than their winter counterparts.

 

Linen and cotton are both perfectly fine with it. I'd even say summer tropical wool suits are fine with suede shoes, but only if they're obviously casual (eg cream or similarly pale shade, not navy or most greys. Perhaps even exceptionally pale grey, beyond dove grey in shade). It may not be exactly traditional, but is certainly visually pleasing.

 

Originally Posted by Pingson View Post
Originally Posted by EliodA View Post
IIRC, it was the rather British Duke of Windsor who first started wearing suede shoes with business suits, right?
He definitely wore then with flannel suits, not sure whether he wore them with worsted suits (which I think is what Holdfast objected to).

 

Flannel suit, esp casual flannel suit (OK, many flannel suits are naturally fairly casual, but I'm particularly thinking of ones with POW checks or similar) = perfectly fine with suede. A bit rogueish of a combination, but then the Duke of Windsor was a rogue, so OK. A fine look, esp. for a more casual day at work or a trip to the races or whatever.

 

Worsted wool business suits with suede shoes is an Italian thing, yes. I suspect it was hugely influenced by one or two of the better-known Italian style icons of the 60s adopting it after seeing American movie stars doing the look, after they started copying the Duke. With each stage of replication/propagation, the gap in formality increased (natural extension of a trend is to keep exaggerating it) until they ended up with perfectly normal/discreet business suits paired with suede shoes.

 

It's that specific combination that I find dislikeable. They're so obviously dissimilar items to me. I can certainly accept that others like it and as long as they enjoy it, good for them. But I can't feel aesthetic pleasure from seeing the combination.

 

PS. glad to have sparked some lively conversation about an actual style issue in this thread, rather than the more meta discussion that often happens! Nice work lads.

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PS. glad to have sparked some lively conversation about an actual style issue in this thread, rather than the more meta discussion that often happens! Nice work lads.

+1, this is what this thread needs more of, IMHO.
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Wind assisted. I hate baggy pants with a passion.

best news ever.
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First time poster here chaps, thoughts and feedback greatly appreciated. I've got two initial fits to submit: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Here's me in character as "disdainful atheist" at a family christening. Suit is Suitsupply and the shirt is TM Lewin, with a Tie Bar tie and Chelsea boots.:









And here's what I wore today, in a TM Lewin shirt and jacket:







Thoughts appreciated!

superb rookie outing.
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Originally Posted by Pingson View Post

I think suede shoes with business suits is an Italian thing (or at least a Continental European thing), definitely not British so it may explain Holdfast's dislike for the look. I've come to appreciate the look more and more, but it certainly took me awhile getting used to it.

that was what i assumed.
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As for not wearing suede in the summer, I've never really understood that. Suede loafers seems to me to be the perfect casual summer shoe.

suede all year for me too.
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Originally Posted by Pingson View Post

As I have understood it it stems from the association between flannel and suede - both have a textured surface and the go well exceptionally well together. However, the same could be said for linen, which I think suede go pretty well with. So I agree that it is a rule best ignored nod[1].gif

suede + flannel = drool.gif
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Originally Posted by Pingson View Post

+1, this is what this thread needs more of, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by SpitShine View Post
 

First time poster here chaps, thoughts and feedback greatly appreciated. I've got two initial fits to submit:

Here's me in character as "disdainful atheist" at a family christening. Suit is Suitsupply and the shirt is TM Lewin, with a Tie Bar tie and Chelsea boots.:

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 


And here's what I wore today, in a TM Lewin shirt and jacket:

 

 

 

Thoughts appreciated!

 

It's nice for a young fellow to dress so good.

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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

 

Worsted wool business suits with suede shoes is an Italian thing, yes. I suspect it was hugely influenced by one or two of the better-known Italian style icons of the 60s adopting it after seeing American movie stars doing the look, after they started copying the Duke. With each stage of replication/propagation, the gap in formality increased (natural extension of a trend is to keep exaggerating it) until they ended up with perfectly normal/discreet business suits paired with suede shoes.

 

It's that specific combination that I find dislikeable. They're so obviously dissimilar items to me. I can certainly accept that others like it and as long as they enjoy it, good for them. But I can't feel aesthetic pleasure from seeing the combination.

 

PS. glad to have sparked some lively conversation about an actual style issue in this thread, rather than the more meta discussion that often happens! Nice work lads.

^^

This I dig.

 

How do you feel about worsted glen check suits, or high-twist windowpanes -- that kind of thing?

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Cross post from the good taste thread, looking for some good opinions.

Is it in poor taste to wear a navy double breasted pinstripe suit to a baptism? What's the consensus of some of you gentlemen on this thread?
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Originally Posted by MGD83 View Post

Cross post from the good taste thread, looking for some good opinions.

Is it in poor taste to wear a navy double breasted pinstripe suit to a baptism? What's the consensus of some of you gentlemen on this thread?

Generally speaking, I believe that striped suits should be worn only in business settings. A baptism is not a business setting so the pinstriped suit really doesn't belong. I don't know that I would go so far as to say it is in poor taste. Perhaps by the very high standards of SF, it would be in poor taste, but this is one of those rules that seems to be followed less and less. I think that is unfortunate, but the upshot is that you can probably get away with it and are very unlikely to offend anyone, even though you may want to avoid similar looks in the future.
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+1 on pinstripe 'rule'.

I love pinstripe suits, but don't own a single one because they simply aren't appropriate for either my work or social environments...
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A few years ago at my wedding, the husband of our matron of honor wore a pinstripe suit (true story). I still haven't forgiven him.
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Another lovely spring day in the city so I broke out the tricolor pastel oxford bow.  Also, oxford pants and shirt.  

 

 

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Generally speaking, I believe that striped suits should be worn only in business settings. A baptism is not a business setting so the pinstriped suit really doesn't belong. I don't know that I would go so far as to say it is in poor taste. Perhaps by the very high standards of SF, it would be in poor taste, but this is one of those rules that seems to be followed less and less. I think that is unfortunate, but the upshot is that you can probably get away with it and are very unlikely to offend anyone, even though you may want to avoid similar looks in the future.
 

+1 to the above. It won't be 'in poor taste', exactly, but even to the uninitiated it will look 'odd' at best, and 'off' at worst; it'll leave an undesired impression, even if nobody at the event can put their finger on it in quite the way an SF goon might.  Bear in mind, as well, that this will be heavily photographed, so it won't be a fleeting misstep.

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Originally Posted by 9thsymph View Post

+1 on pinstripe 'rule'.

I love pinstripe suits, but don't own a single one because they simply aren't appropriate for either my work or social environments...

+1. I want a flannel chalk stripe suit really badly, but I just can't justify buying something that is not going to get worn since suit wearing for me is pretty discretionary (church, charity events, sometimes client meetings). Solid suits work anywhere a striped suit would while the reverse is not true.

In general if one does not wear suits to the office on a regular basis (the main way you'd use and justify stripes), solids and perhaps the occasional more casual suit (POW or similar) is the way to go.
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

 

Worsted wool business suits with suede shoes is an Italian thing, yes. I suspect it was hugely influenced by one or two of the better-known Italian style icons of the 60s adopting it after seeing American movie stars doing the look, after they started copying the Duke. With each stage of replication/propagation, the gap in formality increased (natural extension of a trend is to keep exaggerating it) until they ended up with perfectly normal/discreet business suits paired with suede shoes.

 

It's that specific combination that I find dislikeable. They're so obviously dissimilar items to me. I can certainly accept that others like it and as long as they enjoy it, good for them. But I can't feel aesthetic pleasure from seeing the combination.

 

PS. glad to have sparked some lively conversation about an actual style issue in this thread, rather than the more meta discussion that often happens! Nice work lads.

^^

This I dig.

 

How do you feel about worsted glen check suits, or high-twist windowpanes -- that kind of thing?

 

In general, or paired with suede shoes?

 

In general, I am in favour of them. I like them because I find them very useful, filling a lighter-weight niche for casual suits. In the past, without central heating or with a lot of time spent outside, the older, heavier, flannel or tweed options were great. Nowadays, it's nice to have the pattern without the weight. I do still have some of the heavier fabrics (well, fairly light by historical standards, but heavier than most current ones), but it's also very practical to have some lighter versions even if they lack soem of the surface interest (and tradition). Blends can bridge the horns of the dilemma somewhat, actually. I suspect the answer will really boil down to your local climate and lifestyle.

 

As for pairing them with suede shoes, I would revert to my previously stated position of seeing no issue with pairing casual suits with suede, only to wearing business suits with them. So large-scale plaid suits (even if worsted) can work with suede shoes... albeit nowhere near as well as flannel versions. I would personally tend towards calf with them. I actually have a wool/mohair blend plaid grey suit to pick up imminently. My first instinct for them is burgundy calf monks or black calf oxfords. However, I think it could just about take brown suede wingtips. I'll probably try them with it at some point over summer. The fact it has mohair, and a strong pattern, I think will just able tone it down enough for suede. Close call though and I won't know for sure until trying them out IRL.

 

Originally Posted by MGD83 View Post

Is it in poor taste to wear a navy double breasted pinstripe suit to a baptism? What's the consensus of some of you gentlemen on this thread?

 

I hate using "taste" as means of answering this question. It has connotations I dislike. I prefer to simply state personal preference without claiming broader validity to that preference. I would not wear a DB pinstripe to a baptism. Many others would, but probably not those with some latent awareness of clothing's symbolism. Bottom line, wear whatever you like, but if it you feel already uncomfortable about this prospect precisely because of the businessy associations of pinstripes at least post-WWII, then you already have your answer: don't wear it. If you don't mind, then by all means wear it. You won't offend anyone. At least, not anyone with any reasonable sense of proportion!

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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post
 

I hate using "taste" as means of answering this question. It has connotations I dislike. I prefer to simply state personal preference without claiming broader validity to that preference. I would not wear a DB pinstripe to a baptism. Many others would, but probably not those with some latent awareness of clothing's symbolism. Bottom line, wear whatever you like, but if it you feel already uncomfortable about this prospect precisely because of the businessy associations of pinstripes at least post-WWII, then you already have your answer: don't wear it. If you don't mind, then by all means wear it. You won't offend anyone. At least, not anyone with any reasonable sense of proportion!

 

 

Glad to see someone articulate this so well.

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HF's post is excellent, per usual, but I would add a small qualification.  It is at least possible for someone to have a sense of whether or not something is 'right' (in the sense of general propriety rather than strict rectitude) without necessarily being able to articulate precisely what has informed that personal preference; I'd even suggest that this less articulate comportment is the more common, and not by a little.  This is why 'taste', for all its unsavoury connotations, is an effective if worn-out metaphor for personal style: as a person can tell you what foods or kinds of food they like, without being able to give any real explanation beyond 'I like X', so it often is with clothing -- or, to put it satirically, those who are uncertain about food and fashion don't starve naked.  Of course, 'taste' is, as HF says, used to justify all kinds of unpleasantness created when a cretinous oaf asserts his own preferences as inviolable maxims, but it's still generally true that a given population may find certain things more or less palatable for a variety of reasons all over the spectrum of vagaries.

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