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I don't know what the heck I am talking about but just thinking...

Jeans came about when Levi (person) started producing them for the working class. It was rough, durable, and again...was for the working class. It has since grown into something else but to mix a sports coat (historically worn by wealthy) with jeans (historically worn by the working class) seems really odd with this historical backdrop. Call me a nutcase for thinking this but it's just a thought that came to my head. I guess I am not busy enough at work. 

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That is very true from a historical perspective. The nature of this world, however, is ever changing, and so is the nature of jeans. Jeans have become the go-to casual trouser for everyone, blue and white collar alike. So, combining a jacket with jeans is not necessarily seen as 'wrong' anymore.

I suspect most people see difficulty in combining jeans and a tie not from the historical perspective, but more from a formality perspective. Jeans are still considered to be on the very casual end of the spectrum, while a tie is considered to be on the formal side of the spectrum. These formality perceptions are of course caused by their history, but I doubt many people still see jeans as a garment solely for the 'working class'.

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That is very true from a historical perspective. The nature of this world, however, is ever changing, and so is the nature of jeans. Jeans have become the go-to casual trouser for everyone, blue and white collar alike. So, combining a jacket with jeans is not necessarily seen as 'wrong' anymore.

I suspect most people see difficulty in combining jeans and a tie not from the historical perspective, but more from a formality perspective. Jeans are still considered to be on the very casual end of the spectrum, while a tie is considered to be on the formal side of the spectrum. These formality perceptions are of course caused by their history, but I doubt many people still see jeans as a garment solely for the 'working class'.

I agree with you that the historical background is pretty much not relevant anymore with changes in how jeans are viewed. 

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See I think this works... Except for the tie. Everything is very casual and relaxed, but then there's a tie thrown in there. It's just incongruous.


Even with a knit? It's hard to see, but it's very crunchy etc.

 

Though I do agree with you in the end, a BD without a tie would have been better.

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Even with a knit? It's hard to see, but it's very crunchy etc.

Though I do agree with you in the end, a BD without a tie would have been better.

It may look better in person. From a distance though, I think it would have benefited from an open neck.
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It may look better in person. From a distance though, I think it would have benefited from an open neck.


I'm with you. Thanks for the feedback. Was teaching that day...forget why I opted for jeans...might have been the awful weather/slush etc, so pretty much any day this past winter.

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I hate to quote myself, but it is certainly relevant. I think this would have been fine with jeans - perhaps even better with jeans and would likely be roughly how I would attempt them if I was to try it.

 

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[...] These formality perceptions are of course caused by their history, but I doubt many people still see jeans as a garment solely for the 'working class'.

 

I don’t know what the precise chronology was in Europe, but in the northeast US the sixties were the pivotal decade.  In the fifties blue jeans were still considered work clothes and were largely limited to blue collar workers.  In the sixties middle-class teens and college students consciously adopted them as a way of effacing the boundaries of economic class—an expression of the politics of the times which took on a life of its own through the familiar mechanism of teen peer-group conformity.  In the seventies jeans simply became casualwear, and gradually lost their association with economic class.

 

This history has generational echoes down to the present day.  I own and wear jeans, but none of them are (or ever have been) blue.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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That said, I don’t favor jeans with SC unless ever element is clearly casual. An orphaned navy suit jacket is not going to do it, IMO. In winter, a brown tweed with patch pockets might work (see EFV’s post above) or in the summer, brown tobacco linen perhaps. Blue top and bottom, I’m not sure that will work as well. But then with blue denim, I feel the color options are a bit more limited: I’m not feeling gray. Perhaps less traditional colors that show that this is not your standard fit (deep purple/burgundy?) or gray or natural jeans on the bottom (in which case, a blue jacket might work quite well, but I would opt for linen or cotton for spring/summer fits).

 

I disliked wearing jeans while teaching, but dislike crappy weather and what it does to your trousers more.

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I never meant to insinuate that wearing jeans and a sport coat is a bad thing; I often wear jeans and an unstructured blue linen jacket (summer) or a very lived in tweed jacket (winter) as "weekend wear". I will occasionally even sport a rough knit tie (especially in the fall/winter).

 

Where I draw the line is with the notion that jeans can be formal enough to pair with an ornate paisley tie and a blue blazer (or orphaned suit jacket) with an equally ornate PS. It's plainly specious; jeans are still strictly informal wear and when paired with a traditionally formal combo (dress shirt, patterned silk tie,PS, suit jacket, etc.) for half the body, it ends up looking like the mullet of menswear. Lose the tie or switch to chinos and it can work.

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+1 to everything MisterFu said.

I have the Kent Wang patch pocket brown herringbone SC and it looks nice with jeans and boots.

I personally won't do blue SC over any denim because I don't like the blue on blue.
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it ends up looking like the mullet of menswear.

Love this description.
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With all these "floral" ties, I think someone should do a "floral" tie Friday Challenge!

Early betting action would be heavy on Holdfast and SugarButch, I think.


??? The only floral tie I have is a neat. (Also, there are no capitals in sugarbutch. smile.gif )
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Clags: That suit is wow. Tie is wrong, but damn, you stepped out!

AAS: Those damned shoes...
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StitchPosin'

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??? The only floral tie I have is a neat. (Also, there are no capitals in sugarbutch. smile.gif )

I must be really bad with names, both in spelling them propely from memory and trying to recall who I saw wearing what. Sorry man.
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