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HOF: What Are You Wearing Right Now - Part III - Page 4839post #72572 of 787173/14/14 at 11:08amQuote:Originally Posted by Henry Carter
I can read just fine thanks. The colour of the tie doesn't really matter, I mean look up a few posts to AAS's fit. If he wore a brown tie today would that be a beginners fit? The navy blazer and flannels (or lets just say grey trousers) is the template and lets be honest, it's a great template. Outside of "SF approved" brands I rarely see brown ties being sold let alone worn, though they are my best seller next to navy so take what you will of that.
I wear the exact combo you are talking about (navy blazer, grey trousers, blue shirt, brown tie and complimentary PS quite often, it's a look I enjoy and I don't really think about it being a template, it just looks good. Sometimes I wear a green tie, sometimes burgundy it depends. I've been in this industry 17 years this year in one way or another (that's half my life by the way), from a bottom rung casual sales assistant to a buyer to now an owner, so are you saying I'm a beginner too?
Now a legitimate question for you, what goes better with a navy blazer than grey flannels/trousers?
We do have different opinions of course, and that's ok, it's good for debate. I just don't see why anyone who has a differing one to you (which is essentially everyone on here) is a troll.
funny, everyonre who disagrees with another calls the opposition a "troll" i'm sorry, i really believe you are a troll. (as in your opinion reigns. =troll)
And many things go with a Blue Blazer, other than Grey flannels. think about it, take all the time you need.Quote:Originally Posted by GMMcL
You had me until the last sentence.
I don't fault folks who prefer prefer the look of navy/brown/gray But let's be honest about what it is and why it has an undeniably universal appeal: It's simply combining neutrals.
And once you add pale blue shirt (neutral) and just about any pair of decent brown shoes (neutral), it's not much harder than writing it.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)Now, if your point is that it's hard to do well on a regular basis without seeming repetitive and unimaginitive (especially), then I strongly agree. Or that you can screw it up with terrible fit or a shiny tie (i.e., texture), then again I agree, though that's true no matter what the colors are.
My fits are trending toward "cleaner" and simpler. Good/bad, better/worse, who knows; it just is. What I can't deny is a reticence that they've become more boring. Nor will I deny having orders of magnitude more respect for the folks who post consistently high quality fits without also consistently resorting to re-combining neutrals.
Again, I'm not calling anyone out -- to each his own, and it looks good for a reason. But don't tell me it's hard. I've set myself a goal of wearing every tie in my rotation before repeating. The 3 ties I dread the least are the brown twill and the 2 brown grens -- they will pair with damn near everything in my closet, and those mornings will, without question, be the easiest I have this year.
Said another way, it's been a very long time since I found myself envying a solid brown tie in someones fit, whereas I find myself envying your neats, Pliny, on a depressingly regular basis.
My point exactly, just i don't wear boring fit's and try to palm them off as "approved". if so. "approved" is constantly lowering standards to the point of bland.Quote:Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey
I like what you wrote earlier, @Claghorn, but I would say that one does not have to abandon intellect in order to appreciate. I appreciate fits I see here purely on first glance, i.e. simply on aesthetics, whether they are 'simple' or 'difficult', but I also like it when someone has succeeded in doing something experimental unusual or tricky, and when fits have something more to them than just 'looking good'. A good example is the discussion we had on the 20+ thumbs thread about @in stitches' two looks. Despite what he just said here, even he liked the experimental one over the 'easier' one... we've got to remember too that all our reactions are learned and socialized, even those apparently non-intellectual aesthetic ones. It takes effort and education (self-education and learning from others) to 'appreciate' and we can all always learn more...
Unfortunately, the member who sparked this debate seems to appreciate neither aesthetics nor education...
Aesthetics? you are joking.. right? Education? i'd wager my education matches yours, and my experience in menswear exceeds yours. put simply, stop trying to take the high ground while loving the low ground. I make a point, you make it personal, and all the time you end up a fool. (in a top hat)Quote:
Hhhhmmmmmm........ Group culture you say..............Quote:Originally Posted by Claghorn
I'm pretty sure I was the one who told you that. My 팀장님 came up to me and "suggested" I just stick to white rather than blue since everyone else wears white and I stuck out enough already. But it was a pretty conservative work environment, even by Korean standards. This is the same guy, mind you, who during initiation made me and a bunch of other juniors drink soju and beer out of his shoe.
On a very different note:
(solid brown without being dull)
Sam Hober (tie)
The Grey pant's make it dull, pick any tie you want. - who am i kidding....... Brown tie, soft Blue shirt, grey pants.......... = dull. nice S/C though.Quote:
Please don't.post #72573 of 787173/14/14 at 11:15ampost #72574 of 787173/14/14 at 11:31amQuote:
where did you pick this up? most normal people here realize that there are almost always others with differing opinions and as long as the 2 people are ernest and respectful in their interactions, they respect the other. did you see either clags or HF call the other a troll in their recent disagreement?
outside of every time you get into it with people, i do not see people calling other posters trolls just for disagreeing.Quote:The Grey pant's make it dull, pick any tie you want. - who am i kidding....... Brown tie, soft Blue shirt, grey pants.......... = dull. nice S/C though.
seriously, why the fuck are you even on this board?post #72575 of 787173/14/14 at 11:38ampost #72576 of 787173/14/14 at 11:42ampost #72577 of 787173/14/14 at 11:44ampost #72578 of 787173/14/14 at 11:48ami dont think he is a troll at all. i think he is 100% earnest in what he says. and that is fine, he is welcome to his opinions on style. but he clearly has a different view on clothing than pretty much everyone here, so i am confused about what his goal here is.post #72579 of 787173/14/14 at 11:50amWarning: Smart Words Said! (Click to show)Quote:Originally Posted by Holdfast
This is like saying there's only one kind of infinity. I don't agree at all, largely because there is significant variation in defining a good outfit and the best outfits include an element of working within an individual's sociocultural context, which is an element we can't really see here at all. Moreover, even if we are to narrow the context to, say, SF (and feel free to substitute any supposedly Wise Men you like) I am not one to instinctively accept the idea that just because a consensus exists, it represents any sort of fundamental truth.
I would change your statement to "if you both enjoy your outfit and it meets your day's needs, that's a good outfit". Naturally, as one's level of knowledge rises or degree of subsumption in a collective's values increases, or indeed one's role and self-image in life evolves, the kinds of outfit you enjoy will change. For example, there are many outfits I've worn in the past that I would not wear today. Does that really make them bad outfits, given that I enjoyed them at the time and they were either neutral or positive in terms of what I did that day? I can't bring myself to say that they were, as I think that would actually be a very weird, and very artificial, definition of good. It wouldn't have any meaningful relevance
Another example would be this week's Friday Challenge. There are some outfits there that I like, but as a overall look/aesthetic I'm not a fan at all. The whole Italian business aesthetic (at least, as filtered by modern style gurus, and especially so once sprezzatura is invoked) revolves around men taking their clothes exceptionally seriously, wanting to appear very grown-up & worthwhile individuals, all the while simultaneously pretending that they are relaxed and confident about both.
I find this is quite a silly balancing act to want to perform; it has a vaguely childish & insecure quality to it. A kind of narcissistic inauthenticity that is only magnified when seen in large amounts together (as you do in Italy, when you frequently see throngs of young-ish businessmen all wearing similar navy suits, blue shirts and navy ties). It only has a chance of succeeding when the wearer is irrefutably successful by the typical bourgeois standard being aimed for by the wearers, and so they can unassailabily project a sense of self-satisfaction that can convince the viewer that any lurking insecurity is not actually there.
But as an individual outfit taken in isolation, I find it perfectly fine and can look very good indeed. It's the sociocultural context that makes me dislike the look. So, coming back to my earlier point, I really don't think it's as simple as saying a good look is one that looks good.
I really want to hang out with you in real life.post #72580 of 787173/14/14 at 11:56ampost #72581 of 787173/14/14 at 11:57amQuote:Originally Posted by batchplease
You seem have a lot of things to say for someone who hasn't posted jacksh!t. Shut the F up and just do your talking with your pix. If you you're not going to post pix, then again, shut the F up and just learn via observation, you little b!tch. I am new to this forum but you made me puke within 2 days of joining.
Puke? do you have an eating problem?
wow, you are new, and with so many posts too!- Astonishing.
I Have posted several fits, and stay here to keep things from turning into "Bland forum".post #72582 of 787173/14/14 at 12:03pmQuote:No they don't, I haven't called you a troll once.
You misread my question, it wasn't what goes with a navy blazer other than grey (you'd be misguided to think grey is the only colour there), it was what goes better with a navy blazer than grey.
@batchplease - that kind of posting from a new member is uncalled for, whether you think it or not.post #72583 of 787173/14/14 at 12:04pmpost #72584 of 787173/14/14 at 12:06pmpost #72585 of 787173/14/14 at 12:15pm
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