welp, it is a beauty. well done.
you really need to stop editing out your posts after you get a little criticism. 4srs.
The wider applicability is that, leaving SF aside, the greatest impact our outfits have is a holistic one. The average stranger you meet will process an outfit instantly and stereotype it into various pigeon-holes. Acquaintances will do the same, but modify those stereotypes slightly by in light of their existing impression of you. All this will happen instantly, and unconsciously. Point being, as long as you get the broad brushstrokes of an outfit right (by "right", I mean "in sync with whatever specific image you want to project to others"), the details really don't matter.
I appreciate that this runs contrary to how SF likes to view clothes, but that's because SF scrutinises clothes. Most people you meet will just mentally snapshot & pigeon-hole them. Now, if the details conflict wildly, the gestalt is equally confused. But as long as they're vaguely in sync with each other, the exact details really don't matter. People will see "slim suit", or "70s suit", or "cool kid", or "typical professional", etc, etc.
I think this is important, and very well said. In the context of this thread and its history, sometimes one concentrates on the parts, sometimes on the ensemble. Room for both, I think.
In real life, sometimes one just dresses. And sometimes one dresses *for* something: a profession, an occasion, or whatever. I’m inclined, therefore, to think of the principles of classical styles as means, rather than ends—as tools to use to achieve a particular goal.
The particular fit in question was intended for a senior academic in a university environment. That’s an environment that’s conservative to a degree, but equally relevantly is an environment which is, in virtue of its mission, inherently multigenerational (ranging from 18-year-old freshmen through faculty in their 90s); it’s thus complexly hierarchical both by age and rank.
In such a context one dresses not just with the goal of looking like “X.” One also dresses in order to *avoid* looking like “Y.”
That’s just how I think of it. I’m not saying anyone else needs to think of it that way, and I’m certainly not saying that there might not be equally fruitful or even more fruitful ways of understanding things.
Best to all, and thanks,
Many thanks to Roy Al, YRR92, EFV, Pliny, in stitches, Claghorn, Rudals, eviltimeban, mktitsworth, sugarbutch, Cleav, Gianni Certutti, ejay1, and Holdfast for so generously offering thumbs, comments, or both. Sorry if I’ve inadvertently left anyone out. I’m also sorry it took me so long to post again but I am up against a number of deadlines, and even this response must be far briefer than I’d like it to be.
Back to work.
Oops. I actually don't know any better. I get that wool and cashmere ties are for winter but I am not quite sure why. It's not like they warm you up. If it is to go with what you're likely to wear in the winter (wool) then I guess I understand.
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I quite like this actually, the tie is very nice and I don't feel it massively clashes, though I get what people are saying. The tie alone and shirt alone are very good.
However this is quite a decent "London" look, if you know what I mean.
Last wore it on December 17th. I know it was a recycle (and a distinctive tie one way or the other), but I don't only dress for Style Forum! (though I do consider what I'm doing). I have my own benchmarks to make things "new", for example, I've never worn that tie with that suit.
You're right though, a plain navy or plain brown tie would be less memorable. But again, do it for yourself, not just to post something "new" - if you haven't worn it for 2 weeks its probably alright, and if you put it on and are happy and confident, then its definitely alright!
You don't need to leave them up for long, Noodles; even just a day or two is enough to get a broader & more usual range of feedback. I usually clear out my imgur after a couple of months.
And here's a little secret to make it easier to leave outfits up: no-one - and I mean no-one - really cares deeply about what outfit you're wearing today. Just as they don't care about what I'm wearing today. Or any other poster's outfit. It's all just disposable fun in that good outfits give people a moment's pleasure and sometimes cause them to click the thumbs icon or comment; while mediocre/bad outfits are forgotten almost instantly.
Only exceptional outfits - in either direction - are really remembered and those are few and far between for most members, and that was true even in the old days and even a clear majority of the few old superstar members were just "good" rather than exceptional. We just tend to remember the exceptional fits and assign them to the entirety of their outfits.
BTW, now that you've reposted it, I agree that the shirt/tie combo isn't ideal, but it's not disastrous. It's just that the effective stripe width of the tie is a bit close to that of the space between the stripes of the shirt. One for a solid shirt, or a hairline stripe, or that microcheck that I think you have.
I answered this in your tie thread; figured that would keep all your tie advice together. :)
I think it would also be less of an issue if the jacket was buttoned up.
I don't really see a problem with that, Rudals. If there was no white stripe on the tie I don't even think this would be up for debate. It's not like you are wearing a butcher stripe shirt or something similar with such a pronounced stripe.
I could also be biased because I wore the same tie today:
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