This is just strange to me. Could someone explain?
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Styleforum Top Pickspost #62822 of 7872410/22/13 at 11:57pmpost #62823 of 7872410/23/13 at 12:03amQuote:Originally Posted by Anden
This is just strange to me. Could someone explain?Quote:Originally Posted by ManofKent
Having another play with Yohji.
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Olney Hat, Topman espadrilles
See, now I see this as an excellent example of how something can look good, and look good over a long period of time (as in I doubt he'll look back at this photograph and think "what the hell was I wearing") without being in the some traditional context.
I can't see any details, and it's a lot tougher to recognize the quality of construction of SW&D items based off a picture alone, but from the brand, I'm sure the construction is top notch. The clothes look comfortable, there is nothing frivolous or silly about them, they fit him well, the colors are great. It's a fantastic fit. This is the kind of fit that makes me glad I lurk that thread. Between all that goth-ninja silliness (which I appreciate in its own way), you have something as wonderful as this.
As far as the 130 thumbs, the lurkers on that thread are way more thumb happy then those here. A combination of them being younger, less uptight, and perhaps a bit more brand oriented (maybe a necessity given the difficulties in divining the quality of SW&D clothes based on pictures).
Edited by Claghorn - 10/23/13 at 11:09pmpost #62824 of 7872410/23/13 at 12:22am
So no fit is good fit? Look at the amount of excess fabric down below...
I could wear my grandpa's clothes (I am a 38-40 and he was a 42-44) and look like that. Comfortable yes. Classic summer combo yes. Great quality yes.
I wonder if the same amount of love had been given if no brand was mentioned?post #62825 of 7872410/23/13 at 12:26am
I think I'm with you, Anden. There's nothing especially offensive about choosing to slob around in a loose untucked linen shirt, baggy trousers and slippers. I have to confess that about twenty years ago, my default hot weather leisure wear wasn't too different.
But that's why it's over there in the children's section. It's not classic menswear, it's some kind of hippy leisure wear...so should we care?post #62826 of 7872410/23/13 at 12:28am
Baggy =/= no fit.
Look at the shoulder seams; perfect. Look at the shirt at the waist. Had it been any more narrow, it would look silly with the fullness of everything else. Wider, it would billow. The only nitpick could be the neck, which seems too small, but as I doubt that shirt was ever made to be worn with a tie (and the top button to be buttoned), I suspect that's just right as well.
Take away the brand, I bet you still have 100+ thumbs. Take away the name (as MoK is, I think, a well regarded fellow), I bet you still have 70+.
Edited by Claghorn - 10/23/13 at 11:08pmpost #62827 of 7872410/23/13 at 12:57ampost #62828 of 7872410/23/13 at 12:59ampost #62829 of 7872410/23/13 at 1:00amQuote:Originally Posted by Claghorn
Baggy =/= no fit.
Look at the shoulder seams; perfect. Look at the shirt at the waist. Had it been any more narrower, it would look silly with the fullness of everything else. Wider, it would billow. The only nitpick could be the neck, which seems too small, but as I doubt that shirt was ever made to be worn with a tie (and the top button to be buttoned), I suspect that's just right as well.
Take away the brand, I bet you still have 100+ thumbs. Take away the name (as MoK is, I think, I well regarded fellow), I bet you still have 70+.
Let´s leave it here. You have a few valid points.post #62830 of 7872410/23/13 at 1:35ampost #62831 of 7872410/23/13 at 3:15ampost #62832 of 7872410/23/13 at 3:35amQuote:
Mimo, this makes you come across as a bit of a tit. Yohji Yamamoto, whose clothes Man of Kent is wearing in that fit is one of the most interesting designers around, he's no kid - and neither is MoK - and far more interesting (and funny) than you or any of us. He understands western tailoring with a depth than most people here wouldn't get either, and he's strongly influenced by aspects of it along with the deep history of Japanese clothing traditions, and modern fabric development. Being married to a Japanese woman an living out here a lot of the time, I get a bit tired of people's ignorance and narrow-mindedness. I believe you live in the Middle East which means you should at least get the fact that there are other traditions of dress around and they are not 'hippy leisure wear' if they aren't cut like they do it on Savile Row. You don't have to care, but if you really don't know or understand something, the best thing to do is either to ask a question (like Anden) or to take Wittgenstein's advice and keep quiet. There's a whole thread on his stuff over on SW&D if you do want to know what this is about next time this comes up (and no, it isn't the first time here).post #62833 of 7872410/23/13 at 3:49am
You could also not take it so personally. I'm not making any reference to this designer, his skills or the quality of his work, let alone the irrelevant detail of his nationality. Merely noting that this is not within the realms of classic menswear as I understand it, and though we all wear flip flops and shorts on the beach, or even baggy pants for a stroll around the green fields, I'm not sure I care what constitutes "fashion" beyond the narrow walls of this CM thread. Nor am I impugning the character of this individual for his area of sartorial interest.
My characterisation of contemporary fashion as childish, or espadrilles as beloved of new age travellers, might be unreasonable. But this is just a forum, after all, where we all entertain ourselves. Reprising again my intolerant CM-only persona might indeed make me appear a "tit". To which I can only reply that insulting strangers on the internet isn't very elegant either.
P.S. But I still love you. Especially in tweed.post #62834 of 7872410/23/13 at 3:51ampost #62835 of 7872410/23/13 at 3:54am
I'm not sure where the hate or the not understanding comes into it. I am merely saying that stuff that isn't classic menswear is...not classic menswear. So..let's have some more classic menswear in this classic menswear thread...shall we?
To be fair, I'm wearing lilac shoelaces. That might well make me a tit. But black captoes are definitely OK.
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