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Very astute observation - wearing trousers and shirts "because that's always been my size" that are too small, seems to be very common.  I'm sure I've done it myself at some point, although I have a range of sizes in my wardrobe having gained a lot over the last few years.  I'm currently moving in the other direction - wondering what old friends are stored away somewhere to be rediscovered!  

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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post
 

This is very true for me, and I suspect it's true for mimo. Really any expatriates.

 

This. Dubai.

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Today is far from SF approved - grey SC and navy trousers. The trousers are needlecords in a lovely deep navy colour that don't photograph very well, which is pity. The cold and muggy weather also necessitated an extra cardigan under the jacket - it seems the housing operations at our university haven't located the "On" button for the central heating yet....


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Pliny, great SC pattern. Love it!

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Pingson, on the contrary, I would say that is the definition of how to wear navy trousers.  Delightful as usual.

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

Pingson, on the contrary, I would say that is the definition of how to wear navy trousers.  Delightful as usual.

 

I've never understood the CM fear of navy trousers. I would guess it comes from the idea that the top half always be darker than the bottom half in odd jacket fits, but that's very much a safety rule for beginners.

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Originally Posted by upr_crust View Post

To Monkeyface's comment, male vanity being what it is, when men age, and gain weight, they do not necessarily note that it will adversely affect their shirt size, and, in many cases, will not buy shirts in a larger size until absolutely necessary, and in the interim, will complain about the "noose" around their necks. Either that, or they closely associate wearing a tie with working, and they loathe their jobs, thus loathing the wearing of a tie.
 

 

 

totally agree.  perversely, I like my job and enjoy choking on my ties.  (edit: okay,  I don't enjoy it that  much)  I've been known to do a yoga class in a tie.  Not hot yoga -  Hatha, and it was outside, and kinda cold.

 

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Today is far from SF approved - grey SC and navy trousers. The trousers are needlecords in a lovely deep navy colour that don't photograph very well, which is pity. The cold and muggy weather also necessitated an extra cardigan under the jacket - it seems the housing operations at our university haven't located the "On" button for the central heating yet.... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

gee that's a nice tie ^^^

 

Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post
 

Pliny, great SC pattern. Love it!

 

 

cheers man:slayer: 

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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post
 

 

I've never understood the CM fear of navy trousers. I would guess it comes from the idea that the top half always be darker than the bottom half in odd jacket fits, but that's very much a safety rule for beginners.

 

it's a class thing.  busmen, janitors etc wear navy.  just one of those 'it is what it is' things in MC.  

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I don't think it's the colour itself - we all wear navy suits after all.

 

It's that if you add a grey jacket, striped tie and black shoes, you can sometimes look like a schoolboy or a security guard or airline ground crew.  But with Pingson's autumnal textures. lovely tie, perfect shoe choice etc. there's just no danger of his looking like anything other than a very well-dressed professor.

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I'm thinking of rocking this suit/tie/pocket square to a wedding, but am looking for shirt suggestions.  

I'm thinking it will need a pattern as the suit and tie are solid?

Apologies for the general scruffiness!

 

[IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/2nm420z.jpg[/IMG]  

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The shirt doesn't "need" a pattern just because the suit and tie are solid. There are plenty of all solid combinations that look great. I would avoid having the pocket square be the only pattern, but that may just be me. Now, as for the rest, I don't feel like your look will get much love here. The suit jacket is far too short. I can't tell if those are peak lapels, but microscopic peak lapels make me cringe. If they aren't peak lapels, they are still too small. The button stance is too high. It just generally looks too small for you, and ill fitting. I also hate the tie and PS in this context. I'm sorry to say that it looks like you have never worn a suit before, and simply threw something together from stuff you found at H&M.

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Haha that's a fair assessment, i've never had the need for suits.  Im only begrudingly wearing one as it is!  Thanks for the advice though, I might see what else I can dig up...

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I wear a tie whenever I feel like it (often), including to a movie. I don't really notice I'm wearing a tie unless for some reason I'm looking down sharply. In a movie, my head is generally tilted up a bit (or at least straight forward).

Situational awareness is important if you care about that sort of thing--and there are a number of reasons to care about that sort of thing. But if you understand those reasons and still don't care, then there isn't anything wrong with that. The only times I'm really going to pay attention to the relationship between a social/professional situation and what I'm wearing are either events specifically focused on a single person (so I'll not be wearing an interesting tie or interesting suit to a friend's upcoming wedding) or situations where immediate perception is important (I wouldn't wear a windowpane suit to an job interview and I'd keep the double breasted jacket in the closet for the first few months). Outside of that, I don't really see any point of dressing within a standard deviation of whatever social/sartorial norm. I'm not looking to be noticed, nor am I looking to be ignored. Clothing is a hobby to me and not in any way a means to an end. 

NYR/NYI mentioned once that his fellow teachers think he's a bit nuts, especially when they overhear him on the phone haggling over Aldens (I think that was the example he gave; I apologize if I'm misremembering). He's aware of his situation and deliberately disregards it, not to be contrarian, but because it would provide little benefit and interfere with his doing what he wants to do.

This is very true for me, and I suspect it's true for mimo. Really any expatriates.
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While I agree with the spirit of this post, it doesn't apply to my lifestyle, either socially or professionally. And while I understand what you're driving at, if I were to start wearing a tie 24/7, it would be noticed and the conscious effort would be seen as me drawing attention to myself. However, living in America and my circumstances may affect this. If it works for you, power to you. Enjoy.

I think the main thing I'm getting at is there is a huge disconnect in MC (and in the iGent culture in general) that being dressed up is the only way to be dressed well. To be completely honest, it's extremely easy to "dress up" tastefully. There are enough guidelines and soft rules that it baffles me how people can miss. I mean, even if you're insanely confused, a navy suit, white shirt, navy tie and white square will always be a tasteful default (just ask any Italian businessman). It's not rocket science.

The issue is that people think that a tie and coat is the only way to look good. However, they quickly get bored with what is safe and tasteful. And rather than turning to more creative and versatile casual wardrobe, they try to reinvent the wheel with crazy tie/jacket/shoes/pants combinations. Bottom line, without the "rules" they are lost. And the end result is a lot of the more recent posts in this thread. Disaster.

I don't mean to suggest that you (or anyone in particular) is clueless on dressing down. Or that you don't have your own style. However, to say, "I wear a tie everyday to my job as a window-washer, because a tie is the only way to dress well," seems to be more the rule than the exception. The best-dressed guys in the world are just as comfortable in a tuxedo as they are in jeans and a t-shirt. Over-compensating by over-dressing does no favors, and is less the mark of a well-dressed man, and more the mark of someone who only has a handle on dressing for the office.

It's no longer 1950 (whether you like it or not). And dressing like it is (whether you know it or not) marks you as affected at best, and a joke at worst.
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pliny, pingson, crusty, very nice.



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I wear a tie whenever I feel like it (often), including to a movie. I don't really notice I'm wearing a tie unless for some reason I'm looking down sharply. In a movie, my head is generally tilted up a bit (or at least straight forward).

Situational awareness is important if you care about that sort of thing--and there are a number of reasons to care about that sort of thing. But if you understand those reasons and still don't care, then there isn't anything wrong with that. The only times I'm really going to pay attention to the relationship between a social/professional situation and what I'm wearing are either events specifically focused on a single person (so I'll not be wearing an interesting tie or interesting suit to a friend's upcoming wedding) or situations where immediate perception is important (I wouldn't wear a windowpane suit to an job interview and I'd keep the double breasted jacket in the closet for the first few months). Outside of that, I don't really see any point of dressing within a standard deviation of whatever social/sartorial norm. I'm not looking to be noticed, nor am I looking to be ignored. Clothing is a hobby to me and not in any way a means to an end. 

NYR/NYI mentioned once that his fellow teachers think he's a bit nuts, especially when they overhear him on the phone haggling over Aldens (I think that was the example he gave; I apologize if I'm misremembering). He's aware of his situation and deliberately disregards it, not to be contrarian, but because it would provide little benefit and interfere with his doing what he wants to do.

This is very true for me, and I suspect it's true for mimo. Really any expatriates.

i would agree for the most part. unless there is a potential direct impact on me, in a way that i do not want, based on how i am being perceived, i generally wear whatever it is that i prefer to be wearing at that moment in time. but, often times, weather we want to admit it or not, dressing a certain way in many scenarios does affect us. and it is important to be mindful of that. sometimes we like to pretend that it does not matter, when in reality it does.

sure, the opinion of the random dude in the seat next to you at the move does not matter, but when in the company of non random people, be it family, at work, in social gatherings, your perception is always on line, and its important to be aware of that.

as to bb's post above, i think that is a good point, it is important to know how to dress down and look as good you do when dressed up. though i am not entirely sure it is aimed at the point we were discussing until now.
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I don't get why everyone seems to think that wearing a tie is so uncomfortable.

i am a little bit OCD. ok, a lot bit, and even with a proper fitting shirt, i dont like the feel of a tie all the way up with top button buttoned. now, undo that button and loosed that tie just a lil teeeny bit, and i could wear it indefinitely and not even notice.
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i am a little bit OCD. ok, a lot bit, and even with a proper fitting shirt, i dont like the feel of a tie all the way up with top button buttoned. now, undo that button and loosed that tie just a lil teeeny bit, and i could wear it indefinitely and not even notice.

Haha, fair enough. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I honestly don't feel it at all. I sometimes even forget that I'm wearing one, which can be a little dangerous when eating, as my ties have been closer to dipping into bowls of soup than I deem comfortable many a time.

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