Casual day in the city when hot
Thats the short list. You must have cankles ; - O
No, assume I'm the very pale person not burning in lightweight pants. Look, I'm not one of those "never wear jeans, always wear a tie" lunatics, but at the same time, shorts don't look as good as pants. If you have a choice between them, and you want to be well-dressed, pick pants.
85 was arbitrary, the result of me trying to assign a number to "damn hot." 75, maybe? Sure.
To work? Are you in a "Wham" tribute band?
Not sure about the tie combo, and I think perhaps a heavier shirt with a shorter button down - I've never liked those long, wavy button down collars. But that's just me. What I like, what I really really like, is that this is a jacket that challenges you to hate it, but I don't. Keep rockin' it, CM, it's awesome.
Even then. It's a matter of occasion. As CM said, they're for the beach. 70F on the beach, still fine for shorts. 100F at work. Wear a light suit and be a fucking man. :)
The 'at work' bit is really the only serious debate here, though isn't it? I would certainly never wear shorts in the classroom or to a meeting. But I thought you did 'dress shorts' in Oz? I know when we lived down under when my father had a posting with the Australian army in the 80s, he had to wear shorts as part of his uniform. Has this changed?
Henry, you're an exceptionally well-dress man. You live in a country where shorts are the norm, and indeed there's a big beach and sports culture. And the version you describe is not at all unsightly in itself. But there are two things: as you said, you wouldn't wear shorts to work or in any formal situation - and socialising among Australians is usually pretty informal, I know. You also don't wear shorts (or, God bless you, as far as I know, loafers without socks), with a jacket.
I wear shorts every day, sometimes twice, for the purpose of exercise, which is often on the beach. I hate seeing them in a restaurant or shopping mall. But in Australia, I know that's pretty normal.
I guess my point is that it's an aesthetic objection like any other: tastes will vary, but the majority of my issue is about context: after all, I wear loafers, cargo pants and jeans too, just never in this supposedly "Classic Menswear" thread.
Talking to you reminds me of an old acquaintance of mine, a lawyer who came to the country I work in as senior partner in an international firm. He was invited to a daytime event, at a major client's house, for which the dress code was marked "casual". Perhaps he should have thought twice when "casual" was embossed in the corner of a printed invitation card, but either way, he was Australian and his host was British. He arrived in shorts, T-shirt and "thongs" (let's not get into why that's funny), to find everyone else in blazers; or polo and chinos being the most extreme "casual" anyone else had thought suitable. He got over it, and enjoyed the story for years. But he never did it again (except when he was extending the invitation).
Don't think it's proper for a gentleman. I'd wear swiming shorts, yes. If i'm on the beach.
On a hot day linen pants/suit is my only choice. But if you would post that in the casual thread, people might like it.
So there are folks here who legitimately won't wear shorts on the weekends, regardless of how hot it is? I find that shocking, and, well, stupid. I'm in no way suggesting that the second you step into shorts you also throw on a t-shirt and your most ragged tennis shoes--there's absolutely a middle ground here. I refuse to wear a t-shirt when I wear shorts, but I also see absolutely nothing "ungentlemanly"--in the reasonable sense of the word--about wearing a polo or ocbd, a nice pair of shorts (of the J Crew or ever Banana Republic variety), and a nice pair of boat shoes, driving mocs, or loafers.
Agree on AAS, plus he does shorts very well. I bet his students love his style.
My dad was based in Bendigo, but we divided our time between my grandmother in Rockhampton and uncle and aunt in Mackay, in Queensland. It was only for a few months, but it was a memorable time.
PS: I've also always been a cyclist (although I am mainly a roadie, I also used to race XC / marathon, but I mainly do triathlon these days, and a few sportives). I've never even had a car, and I ride everywhere. Who do you ride for?