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Fair points Ed, and I personally feel that the very presence of chinos in this forum is borderline, let alone jeans, cargo pants, sneakers and boat shoes - any one of which should be grounds for a temporary ban at least in my book.

 

But if chinos are formal enough to use with a blazer and tie, then I would argue that puts them on pretty much the same level as a monk...which is akin to a loafer...perhaps a bit higher up the pecking order towards a derby, but it is being worn with a jacket in this instance, so why not?

 

Brown monks and chinos is fine, I'm sure!

 

(This debate is what makes it fun though, isn't it?)

post #51482 of 78717
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

Hmm. There I was singing your praises the other day as one of the most reliably solid dressers here, and you go and do this. Despite the fact that this has already received likes, I don't think it works at all. The grey (well black and white herringbone) jacket doesn't go with the sand / beige chinos at all, and the very shiny monks are nice in themselves, but are also fighting with the trousers. I'm not sure the shirt goes either. But this is what happens to quite a few MC people when they do 'kashewal' - as you've noted yourself in discussions about MC and SW&D - take off the tie and people seem to get lost and nothing really hangs together.

So what would be my suggested improvements? If we start from the week's challenge and say that the wrinkled rolled chinos are the must-have item of the fit (and I don't mind the rolling as the sign of being 'off-duty'), I would go for a predominantly blue or other darker hued unstructured jacket - green or burgundy would also work (but not grey), maybe with a large overcheck, with these trousers. I'd also ditch the shiny monks in favour of something a bit rougher and more summery - light brogues, corespondants, something with some fabric, even (shudder) loafers or deck shoes.

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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post

Welcome, and thanks for posting!

Please take this in the constructive tone in which it is intended: this needs a lot of work.
  1. The tie matching the shirt is not a good look.
  2. Bright red ties in general are not a good look.
  3. That is an extremely, extremely casual shirt, and probably should not be worn with a suit or tie.
  4. The contrast buttonholes are just... no.
  5. The cufflinks are humongous and gaudy. Not my favorite, but this is the least of the sins here.

It's too bad I had to look at Stitchy's and Tatano's outfits but heartening to see some really solid advice being dispensed.

I salute you FlyingMonkey and aravenel.
post #51483 of 78717
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

i think im biased. i have a red gingham exactly like this that i used to wear with a grey express suit and a navy knit tie. peepwall[1].gif

Can't imagine how that could possibly work with any sort of grey suit.

I dislike red gingham but I see how it could work with chinos or maybe a blazer but (1) it's way too caz for a grey suit and (2) red and grey are two great tastes that don't taste great together.
post #51484 of 78717
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post


And therein is the biggest issue currently affecting the forum.

("Miss the good ole days" rant forthcoming)


Because you do something wrong personally doesn't make someone else's mistake less wrong. That is the attitude that has gotten this forum to the point where people are wearing sneakers with sportcoat and tie ("it's sprezz!"), contrast stitching on suit jackets, which is easily the most gauche thing in menswear, very I'll fitting clothing and stitchy's rolled up, ready for the garden/latrine duty pants worn with dress shoes, shirt and jacket.

This is supposed to be a classic menswear forum, you don't have to be a slave to any rules but there is a large body of work which should serve as a foundation for ones current outfits. People here want to break the rules but the problem is, they never took the time to learn the foundational aspects of what they are doing so it comes off like a "rebel" architect skipping the house foundation and building a wacky house just to be different. There is nothing right with being different for the sake of being different.

The feedback loop currently in this forum is one bad look being reinforced by other bad looks/advice and that becoming the standard. There are still posters here that break the rules the right way (Tirraleur/TTO/Barims/Neofinita off the top of my head, there are others) but when we get to the point where some of these previously mentioned things become OK, this forum loses its function and it just becomes an echo chamber.

Disclaimers: This is only my opinion, wear whatever you want, it's all relative, it's only clothing, nobody died and made me boss etc etc etc.

I totally understand where you're coming from. However, I don't see how the aforementioned people are allowed to break the rules, but wearing monks with rolled up chinos is seemingly inherently very wrong. Note that I'm not disagreeing with anything else you said, I got myself in a very heavy debate on here about wearing sneakers with sportcoats once (still despise it). I just think the formality level of monks (one of the most informal dress shoes there are), and rolled up chinos match closely enough for it to work. I'm not commenting on or condoning contrast stitching, ill fitting outfits, and whether tan with grey works.

post #51485 of 78717
Mimo, old fart. smile.gif

I really feel like putting some jeans in this thread again.
post #51486 of 78717
Ed - That post was excellent. Top notch. Do not disagree at all.
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

It's too bad I had to look at Stitchy's and Tatano's outfits but....

Thanks man, that was not a dick thing to say at all!
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Originally Posted by Pingson View Post


Welcome to the party! Hard to say anything about the fit, so I'll pass on that except to say that you probably would benefit from a slightly wider spread on the collar. Shirt and tie is a little too matchy for my taste, it would work better with a simple white or light blue shirt IMHO. Otherwise colours are nice, a good start.

However, I am definitely NOT a fan of contrast buttonholes .....

(...and those are some humongous cufflinks you've go there)

 

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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post


Welcome, and thanks for posting!

Please take this in the constructive tone in which it is intended: this needs a lot of work.
  1. The tie matching the shirt is not a good look.
  2. Bright red ties in general are not a good look.
  3. That is an extremely, extremely casual shirt, and probably should not be worn with a suit or tie.
  4. The contrast buttonholes are just... no.
  5. The cufflinks are humongous and gaudy. Not my favorite, but this is the least of the sins here.

 

I appreciate the criticism & I can respect your thoughts on it. Thank you for putting your thoughts out there. I think there is definite beauty in mismatching and in matching. ESPECIALLY in spring. At the end of the day, I feel style is about having fun. I'm blessed to have a closet deep enough that the safer more conventional things that are normally seen are kind of a given. And like I said, I respect your opinion deeply and I don't judge it as I used to think very much the same way some time ago. Gingham with a suit, v-neck with a suit... a v-neck would be a terrible look with a suit as well. Unless you've made a jacket with long enough sleeves to exclusively wear with tshirts, with the right attitude and combo can be very stylish. 

 

As you acquire more and more in your closet, you get comfortable going outside the box, while keeping it stylish. For instance, the cufflinks are vintage from 1956. There's a story behind them regarding a campaign against the racism of Native Americans at the time. In a social situation, they are an EXCELLENT item sto start  conversations.

 

Thank you for the criticisms though. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Tatano View Post

I appreciate the criticism & I can respect your thoughts on it. Thank you for putting your thoughts out there. I think there is definite beauty in mismatching and in matching. ESPECIALLY in spring. At the end of the day, I feel style is about having fun. I'm blessed to have a closet deep enough that the safer more conventional things that are normally seen are kind of a given. And like I said, I respect your opinion deeply and I don't judge it as I used to think very much the same way some time ago. Gingham with a suit, v-neck with a suit... a v-neck would be a terrible look with a suit as well. Unless you've made a jacket with long enough sleeves to exclusively wear with tshirts, with the right attitude and combo can be very stylish. 

 

As you acquire more and more in your closet, you get comfortable going outside the box, while keeping it stylish. For instance, the cufflinks are vintage from 1956. There's a story behind them regarding a campaign against the racism of Native Americans at the time. In a social situation, they are an EXCELLENT item sto start  conversations.

 

Thank you for the criticisms though. Cheers!

 

This seems awfully out of place here after Ed's rant.

post #51489 of 78717
Monkey face - i believe the difference is that my shoes stood out as different than the rest of the outfit. And as I said, if i had something different, id have worn them.

I don't regret the fit or not like it, but i understand where the critique comes from. I would never wear shoes the way you mentioned but its not my style here to hate on intentional choices people make, as opposed to someone who makes a post and says tell me whats wrong here.

Whereas as the people ed mentioned are more cohesive on their "rule breaking." It all goes together, no one item says this fit is all about A but i am about B, spreez!!! I think that my shoes bordered that, or in others opinions far crossed it.

As an aside, I could be wrong, Ed took off 2.5 points out off presumably 10. Meaning I dont think he hated it. C, however, was nauseated by it.

To each their own.
post #51490 of 78717
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Thanks man, that was not a dick thing to say at all!

Perhaps a bit harsh.

But check + herringbone confused.gif

I'm telling you Stitchy, half a dozen OCBDs will change your life - 2 lite blue, 2 slightly darker blue, 2 white. Think that would work best with a lot of the suits / SCs you wear.
post #51491 of 78717
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

Perhaps a bit harsh.

I can dig it, just ribbing back. wink.gif
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But check + herringbone confused.gif

Very small check. Looks solid outside of the real close ups. Either way, in this context I dont see that as an issue.
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I'm telling you Stitchy, half a dozen OCBDs will change your life - 2 lite blue, 2 slightly darker blue, 2 white. Think that would work best with a lot of the suits / SCs you wear.

2 light blue - check

2 slightly darker - 1 of 2

2 white - check

I did not want to wear solid. From a distance that would be an all solid fit, not what I was aiming for.
post #51492 of 78717
But even now it looks all solid from a distance. I thought it was a solid shirt in the wide shot.

In this configuration you have added only the benefit of close-up vertigo.
post #51493 of 78717
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

And therein is the biggest issue currently affecting the forum.

("Miss the good ole days" rant forthcoming)

Epic, timeless rant that everyone should read (Click to show)
Because you do something wrong personally doesn't make someone else's mistake less wrong. That is the attitude that has gotten this forum to the point where people are wearing sneakers with sportcoat and tie ("it's sprezz!"), contrast stitching on suit jackets, which is easily the most gauche thing in menswear, very I'll fitting clothing and stitchy's rolled up, ready for the garden/latrine duty pants worn with dress shoes, shirt and jacket.

This is supposed to be a classic menswear forum, you don't have to be a slave to any rules but there is a large body of work which should serve as a foundation for ones current outfits. People here want to break the rules but the problem is, they never took the time to learn the foundational aspects of what they are doing so it comes off like a "rebel" architect skipping the house foundation and building a wacky house just to be different. There is nothing right with being different for the sake of being different.

The feedback loop currently in this forum is one bad look being reinforced by other bad looks/advice and that becoming the standard. There are still posters here that break the rules the right way (Tirraleur/TTO/Barims/Neofinita off the top of my head, there are others) but when we get to the point where some of these previously mentioned things become OK, this forum loses its function and it just becomes an echo chamber.

Disclaimers: This is only my opinion, wear whatever you want, it's all relative, it's only clothing, nobody died and made me boss etc etc etc.

Ed, this is right on. Well said fistbump.gif
post #51494 of 78717
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Originally Posted by An Acute Style View Post

A warm one.  Linen shirt, pants, and jacket and cotton tie.  New Kent Wang lapel flower as well.  
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If you're going to do large-scale red gingham, you could do much, much worse than this.
post #51495 of 78717
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

But even now it looks all solid from a distance. I thought it was a solid shirt in the wide shot.
In this configuration you have added only the benefit of close-up vertigo.

to me its kind of in the middle. enough non solid too keep it from being a brick of solidity (which i sometimes like, i just was not feeling that this morning).

anyhow, you dont like it, thats cool. we can still be friends.

im just glad for the discussion/war that it helped start, and for the choice edmorel posts, which are always nice.
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