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Really like this look the collar bar and pink shirt are amazing . I see you wear belts do you ever use braces/suspenders?
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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post

I don't have a problem with gingham shirts in general (I have a blue one I quite like), but I don't like them with suits. Even that aside, the larger scale and red color make this one look like a picnic blanket... So yeah, I'm definitely not a fan of it.

But yeah, the buttonholes are maybe the worst part.

i think im biased. i have a red gingham exactly like this that i used to wear with a grey express suit and a navy knit tie. peepwall[1].gif
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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post


  1. The contrast buttonholes are just... no.
  2. That is an extremely, extremely casual shirt, and probably should not be worn with a suit or tie.

 

In defence of these two points: 

 

1.  Each to his own.  I think they're a matter of personal expression, rather like red socks or a boutonniere.  My objection here is the undone sleeve button, appearing in a million Chinese mail order tailors' pictures, and now imitated by many as a way to wear the suit: I guess to show off both that the buttonholes are real, and have been "customised" with coloured stitching.  But this is the preserve of wankers.  Button your buttons.  Unless you're unbuttoning all of them to roll up your sleeves and wash your elbows/deliver a baby.

 

2.  It has double cuffs so it's not really casual.  But I do think it's a bit too bright.  I'd say if you love it, wear it with a duller grey suit or similar, or go the other way and save it for your beige linen and spectators in summer.

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

In defence of these two points: 

1.  Each to his own.  I think they're a matter of personal choice.  My objection here is the undone sleeve button, appearing in a million Chinese mail order tailors' pictures, and now imitated by many as a way to wear the suit: I guess to show off both that the buttonholes are real, and have been "tailor made".  But this is the preserve of wankers.  Button your buttons.  Unless you're unbuttoning all of them to roll up your sleeves and wash your elbows/deliver a baby.

2.  It has double cuffs so it's not really casual.  But I do think it's a bit too bright.  I'd say if you love it, wear it with a duller grey suit or similar, or go the other way and save it for your beige linen and spectators in summer.

Sure, to each his own, but that doesn't mean it doesn't look terrible. The whole contrast buttonhole thing just screams cheap Chinese mail-order made-to-measure "custom" suit. Doubly so, as you pointed out, with the open button, which is another problem I forgot to mention, so thanks smile.gif

In regards to the shirt, the double cuff makes it even worse, not better. It's like putting a double cuff on an OCBD--it doesn't make it more formal, it just makes it a bastardized mess that doesn't know what it wants to be. Gingham is an inherently casual fabric, doubly so when its a large-scaled red gingham.

I suppose with a beige linen suit with patch pockets and a navy knit tie, the shirt could maybe work (double cuffs aside)--basically, take it as casual as you possibly can.
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

1.  Each to his own.  I think they're a matter of personal expression, rather like red socks or a boutonniere.  My objection here is the undone sleeve button, appearing in a million Chinese mail order tailors' pictures, and now imitated by many as a way to wear the suit: I guess to show off both that the buttonholes are real, and have been "customised" with coloured stitching.  But this is the preserve of wankers.  Button your buttons.  Unless you're unbuttoning all of them to roll up your sleeves and wash your elbows/deliver a baby.

mimo, for the life of me i do not see how you can split these. if you are cool with contrast stitching on the button holes, i dont see how you can object to leaving a cuff button undone. its far less noticeable almost 100% of the time. very odd imo, but then again, you are odd. just like me. just in a different way.

the difference being i am always right. devil.gif
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Originally Posted by Orgetorix View Post


I think he just said he was getting busy with his job and bored with posting the same fits over and over, so he was expecting to go dark at least for a while.
 

I've been looking through the old WAYWRN threads (takes forever) and couldn't help but notice that Lufvier seemed to be into it as much as anyone else. He posted all the time and just stopped completely.

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


please to share. i cant wait to disagree hear.

Only because its you.

The shoes are dressy (1 infraction point), I prefer BD collar shirts if you are going to wear it with a sportcoat and no tie (1 infraction point but debatable), on your shirt the collar does not stand uo, it hides under the jacket collar. The pants, while nothing wrong with khaki and that coat, are just too casual (1/2 infraction point) with the rolling up. You either need to change the shoes to something chunky (DINKs!) or change the pants to something more dressy. The same pants, with a normal cuff would work. Sleek shoes should be worn with suits or very dressy sportcoat combos, when you start wearing cotton pants, sportcoats and no tie, the shoes have got to be much more casual (no sneakers though).
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I don't think monks are dressy.  Especially brown ones.  And I do think they look nice with khakis.  It's the top half and bottom half that don't get along for me.

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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Only because its you.

The shoes are dressy (1 infraction point), I prefer BD collar shirts if you are going to wear it with a sportcoat and no tie (1 infraction point but debatable), on your shirt the collar does not stand uo, it hides under the jacket collar. The pants, while nothing wrong with khaki and that coat, are just too casual (1/2 infraction point) with the rolling up. You either need to change the shoes to something chunky (DINKs!) or change the pants to something more dressy. The same pants, with a normal cuff would work. Sleek shoes should be worn with suits or very dressy sportcoat combos, when you start wearing cotton pants, sportcoats and no tie, the shoes have got to be much more casual (no sneakers though).

thanks, ed! inlove.gif

regarding the shoes, as was brought up before, i agree they are dressier than the rest of the combo. if i had something some casual i liked in the shoe department, id have worn them. even so, as is, i still like it. i would say that that point is the only #menswear part of my combo, and im running with it. (lol that i bought light tan carmina DMs and that is what i plan to wear with these in the future. or suede GG st james IIs. i know, im a heathen.)

regarding the collar. i am truly amazed that you are the first person to pick up on this. it is the only part of my fit that i dont love. a BD collar is needed imo for a shirt/jacket no tie combo. i have a shirt that would be perfect, but i did not want bust it out yet. (not yours, a different one. maybe friday i will.)

as to the roll. in this particular fit, they may be better with a proper hem, but i like the roll enough, and if i hem, i cant go back. at least not day to day without having them go to the tailor each time. who knows, maybe ill just buy a second pair and have those hemmed.

anyhow, thanks for the reply. well said, sorry if i was partially dismissive, but i dont fully agree on all points. i still love you forever though.
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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post


 that doesn't mean it doesn't look terrible

 

In the way that split toe norwegian looks terrible if you really don't like them.  It's a matter of taste.  But I take your point on the Chinese thing - especially in certain colours, you just know.  It has certainly become a bit of a fad, but doing odd little things with one's own suit is something I will always support.  Man, I'm going to get some stick on Friday...

 

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


mimo, for the life of me i do not see how you can split these. if you are cool with contrast stitching on the button holes, i dont see how you can object to leaving a cuff button undone. its far less noticeable

 

Because I like little details that are not first-glance noticeable.  Having a quirky little personal option, and then going out of your way to advertise it, is what I dislike.  It's not the same to me, it's a contradiction. 

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

In the way that split toe norwegian looks terrible if you really don't like them.  It's a matter of taste.  But I take your point on the Chinese thing - especially in certain colours, you just know.  It has certainly become a bit of a fad, but doing odd little things with one's own suit is something I will always support.  Man, I'm going to get some stick on Friday...

Fair, but I think there's a difference between a fairly common shoe style and brightly colored contrast stitching. The first is simply a matter of preference--I don't prefer them. There's nothing inherently wrong with them. The second is deliberately loud, flashy, and gaudy--it's the FIRST thing you notice about the suit. That isn't a preference, it's just poor taste. The wisdom of odd flourishes in your suit aside, which, IMO, should serve as a blank canvas for the rest of the outfit, I think there's plenty of room there shy of contrast stitching.

Now, the subjectivity of taste is a whole different conversation that has been had many a time over in the Good Taste thread, so I won't go into that smile.gif I think we're on the same page here, we're just arguing the finer points smile.gif
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


thanks, ed! inlove.gif

regarding the shoes, as was brought up before, i agree they are dressier than the rest of the combo. if i had something some casual i liked in the shoe department, id have worn them. even so, as is, i still like it. i would say that that point is the only #menswear part of my combo, and im running with it. (lol that i bought light tan carmina DMs and that is what i plan to wear with these in the future. or suede GG st james IIs. i know, im a heathen.)

regarding the collar. i am truly amazed that you are the first person to pick up on this. it is the only part of my fit that i dont love. a BD collar is needed imo for a shirt/jacket no tie combo. i have a shirt that would be perfect, but i did not want bust it out yet. (not yours, a different one. maybe friday i will.)

as to the roll. in this particular fit, they may be better with a proper hem, but i like the roll enough, and if i hem, i cant go back. at least not day to day without having them go to the tailor each time. who knows, maybe ill just buy a second pair and have those hemmed.

anyhow, thanks for the reply. well said, sorry if i was partially dismissive, but i dont fully agree on all points. i still love you forever though.

I think the shoes look just fine with those chinos. Hell, I wear oxfords with shorts all the time during summer, and they're supposed to be dressier than monks according to the rules.

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Man, I'm going to get some stick on Friday...

Ok then!

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Because I like little details that are not first-glance noticeable.  Having a quirky little personal option, and then going out of your way to advertise it, is what I dislike.  It's not the same to me, it's a contradiction. 

That is exactly my point. They are both quirky personal details, one just as readily available as the other, and imo the contrast stitching is far more gouche/first glance-noticeable/advertismal than an open button hole.

Horses for courses.

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I think the shoes look just fine with those chinos. Hell, I wear oxfords with shorts all the time during summer, and they're supposed to be dressier than monks according to the rules.

Lolawesome. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

I think the shoes look just fine with those chinos. Hell, I wear oxfords with shorts all the time during summer, and they're supposed to be dressier than monks according to the rules.


And therein is the biggest issue currently affecting the forum.

("Miss the good ole days" rant forthcoming)


Because you do something wrong personally doesn't make someone else's mistake less wrong. That is the attitude that has gotten this forum to the point where people are wearing sneakers with sportcoat and tie ("it's sprezz!"), contrast stitching on suit jackets, which is easily the most gauche thing in menswear, very I'll fitting clothing and stitchy's rolled up, ready for the garden/latrine duty pants worn with dress shoes, shirt and jacket.

This is supposed to be a classic menswear forum, you don't have to be a slave to any rules but there is a large body of work which should serve as a foundation for ones current outfits. People here want to break the rules but the problem is, they never took the time to learn the foundational aspects of what they are doing so it comes off like a "rebel" architect skipping the house foundation and building a wacky house just to be different. There is nothing right with being different for the sake of being different.

The feedback loop currently in this forum is one bad look being reinforced by other bad looks/advice and that becoming the standard. There are still posters here that break the rules the right way (Tirraleur/TTO/Barims/Neofinita off the top of my head, there are others) but when we get to the point where some of these previously mentioned things become OK, this forum loses its function and it just becomes an echo chamber.

Disclaimers: This is only my opinion, wear whatever you want, it's all relative, it's only clothing, nobody died and made me boss etc etc etc.
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A warm one.  Linen shirt, pants, and jacket and cotton tie.  New Kent Wang lapel flower as well.  

 

 

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