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Did you ever see the Mr Sam photoshop of me without hair? Not even going to risk looking anything near that. Made me look like a grumpy Telly Savalas... ;)

 

EDIT: found it, here we go

 

No way am I risking a buzzcut after seeing that! lol! :)

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Originally Posted by driftking View Post

Clags got the tie right....let me take a stab at the trousers......BB Milano Donegal Tweed?

CORRECT!!! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

Did you ever see the Mr Sam photoshop of me without hair? Not even going to risk looking anything near that. Made me look like a grumpy Telly Savalas... wink.gif

that was a classic. laugh.gif
post #45258 of 78724
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Sounds unusually serious from you! smile.gif
FWIW, nothing I posted was said with any deliberate "side"; purely my off-the-cuff thoughts, to take or leave as you prefer, in line with all the other occasional comments I post to others in this thread. I wouldn't take it particularly seriously.

once in a while i pretend to be serious. wink.gif

regarding what you said, while it may be true (im not sure tbh, i think the pairing was quite nice for contrast, and the pic was darker than the fit is IRL) there is always the fact that i do not have darker brown pants at present (have a pair being made dy edmorel) and that is my only solid green tie. gotta work with what i have.

PREFACE!!! this is not aimed at you, i think you are one of the kindest critique-ers here, and are very even keeled with your praise v criticism. this is just something that is often on my mind as i read through this thread.

there is an issue i take with critiques that go, "well, it should have a different texture/color" or, "well a breast patch pocket would really is needed for that SC".... not everyone has every item in every possible color & texture, or the ability to have everything bespoke so its just so, to the last detail. often we just have to work with what we have, and what can buy OTR.

sorry to rant, its not a neg at you or anyone in specific, i appreciate the feedback, and its always good to hear pairing advise, but sometimes i think its stated as if the poster is to blame for not having everything at his disposal. sometimes if something is good, its good, and there should be recognition for that. and the fact that its good, is imo often overlooked by the fact that in theory it possibly could have been better. i think it takes away at times from the success that people have with their fits.

i almost feel at times people would rather hand out a negative comment than a positive one. im not saying we should all knob slobber each other. i know we are here to learn, and you cant learn if no one points out where improvement can be made.

and i know i am going to get reamed for this and no matter how many disclosures i put forth, this will read, stitch is baby and just want everyone to circle jerk all the time. but that is not what i am saying. all i am saying is, that i think sometimes the good fits people post are overlooked as people search out every possible way to say that something is wrong or lacking.

it may be a nuance, or a simple change in tone, but there is big difference imo between, "that looks really nice, and it might be ever better if you had a shirt/tie/SC/pants that was a *insert different color/texture/tone/shade*" and "this needs darker tie." one admits to subjectivity and acknowledges the positive aspects of a fit, and the other is objective and sounds purely negative.

ill probably regret writing this.
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Now that's just cool...
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   relaxed cool. excellent job

post #45261 of 78724
Stitch, I feel your pain. I realized a while ago my wardrobe was limited and I was going to either have to get used to hearing the same thing over and over (e.g. "Your jacket is too short") or quit posting fits. Decided to just tune out the unhelpful comments and learn from the helpful ones, and I can still enjoy WAYWRN.
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Keeping with the grey theme of the last two days, a three-pattern mash-up with a strong dash of retro detailing to boot . . .

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   smart mr. Crust, very smart. i'll leave the hat alone

post #45263 of 78724
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Originally Posted by Orgetorix View Post

Stitch, I feel your pain. I realized a while ago my wardrobe was limited and I was going to either have to get used to hearing the same thing over and over (e.g. "Your jacket is too short") or quit posting fits. Decided to just tune out the unhelpful comments and learn from the helpful ones, and I can still enjoy WAYWRN.

thanks, O. considering i know things are what they are, and will likely stay that way, thats is a sound approach.
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once in a while i pretend to be serious. wink.gif

regarding what you said, while it may be true (im not sure tbh, i think the pairing was quite nice for contrast, and the pic was darker than the fit is IRL) there is always the fact that i do not have darker brown pants at present (have a pair being made dy edmorel) and that is my only solid green tie. gotta work with what i have.

PREFACE!!! this is not aimed at you, i think you are one of the kindest critique-ers here, and are very even keeled with your praise v criticism. this is just something that is often on my mind as i read through this thread.

there is an issue i take with critiques that go, "well, it should have a different texture/color" or, "well a breast patch pocket would really is needed for that SC".... not everyone has every item in every possible color & texture, or the ability to have everything bespoke so its just so, to the last detail. often we just have to work with what we have, and what can buy OTR.

sorry to rant, its not a neg at you or anyone in specific, i appreciate the feedback, and its always good to hear pairing advise, but sometimes i think its stated as if the poster is to blame for not having everything at his disposal. sometimes if something is good, its good, and there should be recognition for that. and the fact that its good, is imo often overlooked by the fact that in theory it possibly could have been better. i think it takes away at times from the success that people have with their fits.

i almost feel at times people would rather hand out a negative comment than a positive one. im not saying we should all knob slobber each other. i know we are here to learn, and you cant learn if no one points out where improvement can be made.

and i know i am going to get reamed for this and no matter how many disclosures i put forth, this will read, stitch is baby and just want everyone to circle jerk all the time. but that is not what i am saying. all i am saying is, that i think sometimes the good fits people post are overlooked as people search out every possible way to say that something is wrong or lacking.

it may be a nuance, or a simple change in tone, but there is big difference imo between, "that looks really nice, and it might be ever better if you had a shirt/tie/SC/pants that was a *insert different color/texture/tone/shade*" and "this needs darker tie." one admits to subjectivity and acknowledges the positive aspects of a fit, and the other is objective and sounds purely negative.

ill probably regret writing this.

Stitch, I never take a person's means into account when critiquing them. Honestly, I think it would patronizing and offensive to do so. I don't even want to start guessing who can afford what. I can only offer my judgment based on what I think about style, taste, etc., and let you do with it what you will.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Stitch, I never take a person's means into account when critiquing them. Honestly, I think it would patronizing and offensive to do so. I don't even want to start guessing who can afford what. I can only offer my judgment based on what I think about style, taste, etc., and let you do with it what you will.

i most certainly never felt that you did. and i was not referring to you or anyone else in specific. as well, i do not feel that way about other threads where the point IS to break things down to the nitty-grittiest detail possible.

it is a pet peeve of mine just towards what i feel is sometimes a general attitude here in WAYWRN of what can i find wrong with this, and how can i state my opinion as objectively as possible.

maybe its just me. i am a sensitive dude.
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

Sounds unusually serious from you! smile.gif
FWIW, nothing I posted was said with any deliberate "side"; purely my off-the-cuff thoughts, to take or leave as you prefer, in line with all the other occasional comments I post to others in this thread. I wouldn't take it particularly seriously.

once in a while i pretend to be serious. wink.gif

regarding what you said, while it may be true (im not sure tbh, i think the pairing was quite nice for contrast, and the pic was darker than the fit is IRL) there is always the fact that i do not have darker brown pants at present (have a pair being made dy edmorel) and that is my only solid green tie. gotta work with what i have.

PREFACE!!! this is not aimed at you, i think you are one of the kindest critique-ers here, and are very even keeled with your praise v criticism. this is just something that is often on my mind as i read through this thread.

there is an issue i take with critiques that go, "well, it should have a different texture/color" or, "well a breast patch pocket would really is needed for that SC".... not everyone has every item in every possible color & texture, or the ability to have everything bespoke so its just so, to the last detail. often we just have to work with what we have, and what can buy OTR.

sorry to rant, its not a neg at you or anyone in specific, i appreciate the feedback, and its always good to hear pairing advise, but sometimes i think its stated as if the poster is to blame for not having everything at his disposal. sometimes if something is good, its good, and there should be recognition for that. and the fact that its good, is imo often overlooked by the fact that in theory it possibly could have been better. i think it takes away at times from the success that people have with their fits.

i almost feel at times people would rather hand out a negative comment than a positive one. im not saying we should all knob slobber each other. i know we are here to learn, and you cant learn if no one points out where improvement can be made.

and i know i am going to get reamed for this and no matter how many disclosures i put forth, this will read, stitch is baby and just want everyone to circle jerk all the time. but that is not what i am saying. all i am saying is, that i think sometimes the good fits people post are overlooked as people search out every possible way to say that something is wrong or lacking.

it may be a nuance, or a simple change in tone, but there is big difference imo between, "that looks really nice, and it might be ever better if you had a shirt/tie/SC/pants that was a *insert different color/texture/tone/shade*" and "this needs darker tie." one admits to subjectivity and acknowledges the positive aspects of a fit, and the other is objective and sounds purely negative.

ill probably regret writing this.

 

 

 

stitchy - there's two points in what you posted that deserve to be separated out, rather than conflated together:

 

1) the tone of feedback: personally, I try to keep things generally nice & pleasant in tone, largely because I don't take much to heart and therefore don't really have any motivation to be blunt. You called my feedback "even keeled", which I appreciate. I don't really see the point of phrasing things harshly but equally, don't find much reason to take harsh feedback to heart either. We each vary on how we deal with this kind of thing though. To be honest, I think abut 80%-90% of the negative feedback posted on SF is pretty well-meaning, even if occasionally phrased brusquely. Don't really know what to say about this point really; people with different interpersonal strengths & weaknesses and that's reflected in how they give feedback. I actually don't think harshly-phrased feedback encourages change any more than evenly-phrased feedback (probably the opposite effect happens, as hackles will rise), but a subset will always believe that "bluntness equals honesty equals effective encouragement to change" and act accordingly. There was a great letter from Gene Wilder re: his Willy Wonka costume to the designer reposted in a thread somewhere on the board recently which IMO was the perfect way of giving good, precise feedback that the reader would pay attention to. It was a delightful, charming letter to read, yet nailed exactly what he liked and did not like. Anyway, overall, my thoughts on this point are... *shrug* :)

 

2) accurate feedback, the applicability of which is limited by one's current wardrobe: on this point, I think you miss the mark a bit. For sure, a lot of feedback isn't directly applicable because of a lack of having the specific suggested item in your wardrobe, or because you happen to just plain disagree. But when you get this kind of feedback, it's worth thinking about what motivated the comment, rather than the comment itself. For example, I suggested more contrast between jacket & trousers. I might be wrong about that. Regardless, whether you happen to have a more contrasting pair of brown trousers to have used instead isn't really the point; it's more about the principle of having a good contrast between trousers & jacket, and then deciding whether that's a principle you want to deploy in future. Maybe that would mean not wearing that particular combination again, rather than trying to keep "forcing" a combination simply because you want to wear a pair of brown trousers with that jacket and only have that shade at present. At the very least, it can act as a prompt to reflect on the reason you disagree. For example, everyone tells me my jackets are too long, but I think my body's proportions look (even) weird(er) with a shorter jacket. I might still be wrong, but at least it made me think about a reason for disagreeing.

 

The other thing is, all of us who post outfits should be prepared to take the rough with the smooth, or we shouldn't be posting the pics. Posting on SF is all just entertainment really. Maybe infotainment on rare occasions. Point being, if it's not fun any more, it's not worth doing. That's always been my attitude to posting pics; I still feel I get something out of it. Judging by the way your fits have progressed, I think you're probably getting something out of it too, on some level. Besides, you can always console yourself that no matter what flak you feel you've had for your fits, you can guarantee that someone else out there somewhere has had much more personal abuse directed at them for their clothes, including considerably more eminent than you or I SF figures of ages past and present. ;)

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HF - thanks for talking the time to reply. as always, your pleasant demeanor is appreciated.

i dont disagree with what you said, and i am having fun, and i believe i am learning things. as i said, i was not really speaking about your critique of my fit today. it merely reminded me of a feeling i sometimes get here. but as i said, i may have just been feeling overly sensitive about the issue. that all, nothing major.
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New shirt

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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

Did you ever see the Mr Sam photoshop of me without hair? Not even going to risk looking anything near that. Made me look like a grumpy Telly Savalas... wink.gif

EDIT: found it, here we go

No way am I risking a buzzcut after seeing that! lol! smile.gif

Honestly, the P'shopped frown is what ruins the buzzcut look. The photographic record suggests you're always smiling. If that is fairly true to your head shape, it would look good. That said, I do think it would limit the options for the sartorial chameleonism which you deploy in your practice.
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