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Also, I liked much of what KingJulien posted from the SW&D HOF thread. But, of course, many of them fit within the spectrum of MC, so that's not surprising.

Well, aside from the post that comes from MC, the Sart pic, and BerlinR, I disagree.

Would you really go from CBD to a black bowtie wider than your face, a trenchcoat, and a hipster hat?
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I think the best example of someone that bridges both worlds is PT Williams.
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I think the best example of someone that bridges both worlds is PT Williams.

By "both worlds," you mean both aquatic and terrestrial, correct?
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I'm guessing that this was a much-appreciated fit in SW&D. I can understand why.

But, the juxtaposition of the clothes with the wall-to-wall carpeting signals something awry to me.

Again, I'm not trying to beat down on all the various SW&D looks. If the guys who wear them like them, great.

I just don't see why it is presumed that there is a greater mastery of what can be called "casual" from that forvm-specific sub-culture, as in, "MC guys can learn a lot from SW&D guys."

I have no doubt "MC guys" can learn a lot about what "SW&D guys" choose to wear by looking at their forum discussions and pics.

Then what? Coat and tie by day, trenchcoat, stacked painted-on jeans, and little hat by night? When you're 35? And when you're an MC guy who isn't always successful with coat and tie in the first place?
Edited by F. Corbera - 3/20/12 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Also, I liked much of what KingJulien posted from the SW&D HOF thread. But, of course, many of them fit within the spectrum of MC, so that's not surprising.

Well, aside from the post that comes from MC, the Sart pic, and BerlinR, I disagree.

Would you really go from CBD to a black bowtie wider than your face, a trenchcoat, and a hipster hat?

No, I wouldn't, but I think most of those looks are either nice or within shouting distance of nice. They all push fit toward the fashion end of the spectrum, and some pieces (like that bowtie) are just wrong, but they don't offend me. I don't personally see the appeal of any trenchcoat, so I kind of withhold judgment on those. Any non-ballcap hat is likely viewed as an affectation, but having grown up with a number of mod-loving friends, the stingy brim likewise doesn't bother me. I wouldn't wear it anymore, but I can accept it.

So, while I wouldn't go from CBD to most of these looks, I suspect that CBD isn't within their desired range, either. The disconnect that I think you're pointing out between what someone like gdl wears during the week and what he wears over the weekend is, as he has indicated, an artificial one because he's required to be CBD. I don't know how to explain the schizophrenia of some others other than that they do view clothing as costume, and they dig the option of having a different persona each day.
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

I'm guessing that this was a much-appreciated fit in SW&D. I can understand why.
But, the juxtaposition of the clothes with the wall-to-wall carpeting signals something awry to me.

There's good medication for that now. Ask HF.
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The disconnect that I think you're pointing out between what someone like gdl wears during the week and what he wears over the weekend is, as he has indicated, an artificial one because he's required to be CBD. I don't know how to explain the schizophrenia of some others other than that they do view clothing as costume, and they dig the option of having a different persona each day.

I am not being clear. CBD-gdl203 going into his telephone booth at C.O.B. Friday, ripping it off, and emerging in Junya for the weekend is not a disconnect. It's a clean break that makes sense for someone who would rather not wear coat and tie at all.

Similarly, when Parker goes to meeting one day in an NsM suit and a Cappeli tie, and the next day in some black/gray designer rig, he's not doing casualized classic dress. He is simply in an environement and has the means to dress as he likes without penalty.

Coat and tie has its own casual look that goes along with it. There are points of overlap, like Monkey and I discussed, with things, brands, etc. worn by current SW&D denizens...but I don't see it with the types of examples posted that launched this discussion.
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I'm guessing that this was a much-appreciated fit in SW&D. I can understand why.
But, the juxtaposition of the clothes with the wall-to-wall carpeting signals something awry to me.
Again, I'm not trying to beat down on all the various SW&D looks. If the guys who wear them like them, great.
I just don't see why it is presumed that greater mastery of what can be called "casual" from that forvm-specific sub-culture, as in, "MC guys can learn a lot from SW&D guys."
I have no doubt "MC guys" can learn a lot about what "SW&D guys" choose to wear by looking at their forum discussions and pics.

Then what? Coat and tie by day, trenchcoat, stacked painted-on jeans, and little hat by night? When you're 35? And when you're an MC guy who isn't always successful with coat and tie in the first place?

Joking aside, I think you are really missing the point here. MC guys can learn a lot from SW&D guys when it comes to casual dress. If an MCer never ever wears casual clothes and dresses dandy to the coffee shop on Sunday morning, good for him and this doesn't apply. But the MC casual thread is pretty obvious evidence that most MCers (there are a number of exceptions) don't have a clue when they step out of the fairly documented and crowd-moderated boundaries of MC clothing (and I put myself circa 3 years ago in that group). I do not think that the SW&D necessarily have strong ground to criticize good MC/CBD fits that do not fit the context of their lives - some do and give it some thought, but there are many knee-jerk reactions there too (just like here)

I don't understand your repetitive points about the Jekyll/Hide nature of dressing business and casual, for a few reasons: (a) maybe I'm jaded because of where I live but I see strictly nothing wrong with a 40 or 50 year old wearing casual clothes, even kunk-style all RO fits - I actually find that pretty cool, and the older the cooler; (b) you yourself do that as evidenced by your own casual fits so how can you decry it as impossible or improbably. You're over 35, right?

edit: I understand your points a little better now with the post above
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Joking aside, I think you are really missing the point here. MC guys can learn a lot from SW&D guys when it comes to casual dress. If an MCer never ever wears casual clothes and dresses dandy to the coffee shop on Sunday morning, good for him and this doesn't apply. But the MC casual thread is pretty obvious evidence that most MCers (there are a number of exceptions) don't have a clue when they step out of the fairly documented and crowd-moderated boundaries of MC clothing (and I put myself circa 3 years ago in that group). I do not think that the SW&D necessarily have strong ground to criticize good MC/CBD fits that do not fit the context of their lives - some do and give it some thought, but there are many knee-jerk reactions there too (just like here)
I don't understand your repetitive points about the Jekyll/Hide nature of dressing business and casual, for a few reasons: (a) maybe I'm jaded because of where I live but I see strictly nothing wrong with a 40 or 50 year old wearing casual clothes, even kunk-style all RO fits - I actually find that pretty cool, and the older the cooler; (b) you yourself do that as evidenced by your own casual fits so how can you decry it as impossible or improbably. You're over 35, right?

I can definitely see this. If some of these older eccentric guys existed in the burbs, it wouldn't look right.
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i also lol'ed. wink.gif

+1
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By "both worlds," you mean both aquatic and terrestrial, correct?

A search for the phrase "dolphin-man" gives some interesting results.
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The disconnect that I think you're pointing out between what someone like gdl wears during the week and what he wears over the weekend is, as he has indicated, an artificial one because he's required to be CBD. I don't know how to explain the schizophrenia of some others other than that they do view clothing as costume, and they dig the option of having a different persona each day.

I am not being clear. CBD-gdl203 going into his telephone booth at C.O.B. Friday, ripping it off, and emerging in Junya for the weekend is not a disconnect. It's a clean break that makes sense for someone who would rather not wear coat and tie at all.

Similarly, when Parker goes to meeting one day in an NsM suit and a Cappeli tie, and the next day in some black/gray designer rig, he's not doing casualized classic dress. He is simply in an environement and has the means to dress as he likes without penalty.

Coat and tie has its own casual look that goes along with it. There are points of overlap, like Monkey and I discussed, with things, brands, etc. worn by current SW&D denizens...but I don't see it with the types of examples posted that launched this discussion.

Okay. I think we have conceptual agreement, but disagreement about where the looks KJ posted fit in.
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Joking aside, I think you are really missing the point here. MC guys can learn a lot from SW&D guys when it comes to casual dress. If an MCer never ever wears casual clothes and dresses dandy to the coffee shop on Sunday morning, good for him and this doesn't apply. But the MC casual thread is pretty obvious evidence that most MCers (there are a number of exceptions) don't have a clue when they step out of the fairly documented and crowd-moderated boundaries of MC clothing (and I put myself circa 3 years ago in that group).

gdl, it seems like the SW&D consensus (such as it is) on fit for casual looks might just be different than what MC guys want to wear. For example, I wear my jeans looser than the fellas over there, but do so intentionally. I like the comfort and the way it looks. I appreciate the slimmer fit on other people, but I don't think it works for me. Maybe you're talking about folks like me, maybe you're not...
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Joking aside, I think you are really missing the point here. MC guys can learn a lot from SW&D guys when it comes to casual dress. If an MCer never ever wears casual clothes and dresses dandy to the coffee shop on Sunday morning, good for him and this doesn't apply. But the MC casual thread is pretty obvious evidence that most MCers (there are a number of exceptions) don't have a clue when they step out of the fairly documented and crowd-moderated boundaries of MC clothing (and I put myself circa 3 years ago in that group). I do not think that the SW&D necessarily have strong ground to criticize good MC/CBD fits that do not fit the context of their lives - some do and give it some thought, but there are many knee-jerk reactions there too (just like here)
I don't understand your repetitive points about the Jekyll/Hide nature of dressing business and casual, for a few reasons: (a) maybe I'm jaded because of where I live but I see strictly nothing wrong with a 40 or 50 year old wearing casual clothes, even kunk-style all RO fits - I actually find that pretty cool, and the older the cooler; (b) you yourself do that as evidenced by your own casual fits so how can you decry it as impossible or improbably. You're over 35, right?

Some of this might be a definition difference. I don't really see the MC-SW&D as formal-casual divide. There's formality and casualness in both areas..and in the casual mode, areas of overlap.

The fit pics that started off these exchanges, and then most of the ones presented later by both those who find SW&D valueless and those who value it, don't represent "casual" to me per se. They all seem highly formal, just not of the type the slots in with the tradition and working realities of classic tailored dress.

I don't think that the SW&D members think the arch-looks of SW&D as "casual." They see it as "modern" and all-encompassing in terms of its relevance to their dressing choices. They're dressing to their nines in their modern clothes.

So, I am saying that I don't seen MC and SW&D as "formal" and "casual" subsets of a larger whole.
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I don't think that the SW&D members think the arch-looks of SW&D as "casual." They see it as "modern" and all-encompassing in terms of its relevance to their dressing choices. They're dressing to their nines in their modern clothes.

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Beyond that, I don't want to see a mktitsworth

what happened to him? not that i really care?
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