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Vox: simple language that clearly outlines and supports an argument.

 

Shah: purple prose that uses a lot of words to say nothing.

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Originally Posted by UrbanComposition View Post

Re-imagining the cure - now those are gems.

1. Untuck shirt out of pants.

2. Tuck pants into shoes.
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I wonder what this thread will bring me tomorrow. Today it has given me so many gifts.
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Vox: simple language that clearly outlines and supports an argument.

Shah: purple prose that uses a lot of words to say nothing.

The phrase relates to clothing, though, so in the end, I suppose it's a draw.
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I try not to be serious on here ever, but this back and forth is quite ridiculous.

The whole basis of a "style forvm community" is to learn from others and hone your own personal tastes. Style in its purest form is an individualized take on a uniform. One has a certain level of predictability that brands them and the details are what gives them their unique style.

This means that the whole thing is incredibly subjective. There is no right or wrong. People follow rules. People break rules. Life goes on. Aside from demonstrating your personal style to others for inspiration it's ridiculous to think that what you wear is right or wrong. It's completely personal. That's the beauty of it: It's you.

Personally I give the SWD guys all the credit in the world. Anyone who values the art of dressing and cultivating personal style is a valued member of this forum and to society. That does not mean I like everything I see over there, but hey, that's just my deal. It's how I dress and what I like. I'm sure 99.9% of SWD would say I'm an overgrown frat boy and 90% of MC would agree. Either way, I wear what I like. I took the time to learn what makes a fit that I appreciated, made a uniform and from there made it my own.

It isn't about dressing "like an adult" or "wearing clothes that fit" (whatever those two statements even mean). Instead it's about expression, appreciation and understanding.

Oh, and getting laid. Mostly about getting laid.
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Neither subforum is perfect, that's for sure. There's a lot of ugliness and co-optation of poor taste in both. That said, MC has a lot to learn from the collective knowledge of SW&D when it comes to casual dress, colors and fit, but most refuse to accept it. And SW&D has a lot to learn from the collective knowledge of MC when it comes to less casual dress, particularly fit and fabrics, but most refuse to accept it. I wish neither camp was so quick at shooting down advice from the other side, along with mocking the messengers. I do think having bridge posters like Parker, MoK, etc... should continue to open minds.
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Where is aeglus lately? He really is the best bridge poster I have seen.
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Originally Posted by black_umbrella View Post

Then what's your point? The purpose of MC is, generally, to try and freeze that cycle in some sense.

this is what happens when you start reading a conversation backwards....that's my point, it's one point in a cycle. saying otherwise is disingenuous, romanticizing it as if it was a pinnacle without admitting a bias is blind. calling the "other" a one-trick pony when this is just the same trick repeated for a hundred years is just strange.

saying "In the context of RTW merchandizing of clothes, this lack of self-awareness leads to an annoying presumption of novelty or unique discovery masking a lack of talent in both concept and execution" is just ignorant, nobody pretends that fashion isn't cyclical, nobody lacks self-awareness to presume absolute novelty/uniqueness.

saying one side is brand-obsessed exclusively and the other is not at all is a lie.

to say that MC is a progression from SWD is odd since I know quite a few who've transitioned rather easily the other way around, not looking back...

to say that "there is never the pretense of recycling something old as new, since everything is old anyway" is fine, but to say that it is not just redoing the same trick over and over..
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Originally Posted by black_umbrella View Post

You have adopted a working theory that I'm stupid.

You could be right.

But in either case, it is a fact that regularly as the change of seasons, members who are most active in the SW&D side are anxious to tell "MCers" that they look terrible when the coat and tie come off. I support this. The problem comes in the suggested remedy, which when shown in the photographic form know as, "you should really dress like me," tends to offer cures worse than the illness.

no such theory, but i would like evidence of this claim. i don't support anyone who does. most people dress horribly and the love for dishing advice is inversely proportional to good style, by my observations at least.
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Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

I try not to be serious on here ever, but this back and forth is quite ridiculous.

The whole basis of a "style forvm community" is to learn from others and hone your own personal tastes. Style in its purest form is an individualized take on a uniform. One has a certain level of predictability that brands them and the details are what gives them their unique style.

This means that the whole thing is incredibly subjective. There is no right or wrong. People follow rules. People break rules. Life goes on. Aside from demonstrating your personal style to others for inspiration it's ridiculous to think that what you wear is right or wrong. It's completely personal. That's the beauty of it: It's you.

Personally I give the SWD guys all the credit in the world. Anyone who values the art of dressing and cultivating personal style is a valued member of this forum and to society. That does not mean I like everything I see over there, but hey, that's just my deal. It's how I dress and what I like. I'm sure 99.9% of SWD would say I'm an overgrown frat boy and 90% of MC would agree. Either way, I wear what I like. I took the time to learn what makes a fit that I appreciated, made a uniform and from there made it my own.

It isn't about dressing "like an adult" or "wearing clothes that fit" (whatever those two statements even mean). Instead it's about expression, appreciation and understanding.

this is the best post, take a bow. i'm also sharing this if you don't mind.
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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post

Where is aeglus lately? He really is the best bridge poster I have seen.

He has gone pretty much full SW&D now. I think MoK is mostly there too. Parker may be on his way. I would too if I didn't have very clear Mon-Fri boundaries (and the CBD thread to keep me going)
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Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

I try not to be serious on here ever, but this back and forth is quite ridiculous.
The whole basis of a "style forvm community" is to learn from others and hone your own personal tastes. Style in its purest form is an individualized take on a uniform. One has a certain level of predictability that brands them and the details are what gives them their unique style.
This means that the whole thing is incredibly subjective. There is no right or wrong. People follow rules. People break rules. Life goes on. Aside from demonstrating your personal style to others for inspiration it's ridiculous to think that what you wear is right or wrong. It's completely personal. That's the beauty of it: It's you.
Personally I give the SWD guys all the credit in the world. Anyone who values the art of dressing and cultivating personal style is a valued member of this forum and to society. That does not mean I like everything I see over there, but hey, that's just my deal. It's how I dress and what I like. I'm sure 99.9% of SWD would say I'm an overgrown frat boy and 90% of MC would agree. Either way, I wear what I like. I took the time to learn what makes a fit that I appreciated, made a uniform and from there made it my own.
It isn't about dressing "like an adult" or "wearing clothes that fit" (whatever those two statements even mean). Instead it's about expression, appreciation and understanding.
Oh, and getting laid. Mostly about getting laid.

This.
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Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

This means that the whole thing is incredibly subjective. There is no right or wrong. People follow rules. People break rules. Life goes on.

Doesn't seem so in SWD, where people who dress like total shit lambaste others for doing the same.
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Vox: simple language that clearly outlines and supports an argument.

Shah: purple prose that uses a lot of words to say nothing.

I don't believe that Shah and I are arguing.

I am just trying to offer one set of explanations for why the reaction to the looks currently popular on SW&D do not produce swoons and batted eyelashes among the coat and tie crowd when offered as urgently needed rehabilitative paliatives to the casualwear of the poor, poor MCer.

If there are better explanations for the tepid, unenthusiastic response other than that MCers are more profound idiots than the clothing thought leaders of high fashion, well, it would be interesting to hear.

I would be very pleased to find genius on Style Forvm.
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

this is the best post, take a bow. i'm also sharing this if you don't mind.

Thank you very much, sir. Share as you wish! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

Perhaps. Even so, don't you think it more telling that he never posted at all in SW&D? If you ponder that, you might answer some of your own more general questions.
At any rate, I rather doubt the inactivity of many former members on tailored clothing subjects has much to do with the topics acecow and you are discussing, nor does it seem germaine to the points edmorel was making earlier.
Well, your viewpoint does not seem too complex: it's basically highly relativistic and non-social. There's no indication of being part of a community, or larger culture, or ongoing (as opposed to quantumly-chosen) history. Generally speaking, the typical MC poster believes, pretends, or fantasizes otherwise (I think.)
Think of it this way...for the coat and tie crowd, it works like this:
1. You wear a suit and tie.
2. You get more casual by replacing the suit jacket with an odd jacket.
3. You get more casual still by losing the necktie.
4. You get even more casual by losing the jacket.
There you have it: casual wear. Shirt, pants, shoes. In each of the categories above, there are ranges of fabrics, colors, accessories that are more apt to that level of formality.
Toss in accessories and clothes from sporting life, and then jeans, and it largely captures everything of relevance since WWII.
These graduations of formality inherit a deep tradition of thinking that certain clothes go with certain occasions and purposes. A hundred years, give or take, of practice produces complexity and nuance that no single designer can ever hope to approach, much less surpass.
In contrast, contemporary fashion clothes are a one trick pony. You dress the same, by and large, day and night, weekday and weekend. The style...assuming that you have any...is encapsulated with you, and bears scant relation to others, to occasion, or to a larger living culture in which some degree of deference and accomodation is important.
I think that lectures from SW&D about how "MCers" can "improve" their "fits" are prone to failure except in a rare few cases where the person has the interest, means, and security of immediate social tolerance for dressing schizo. Don Diego de la Vega by day. Zorro by night.
Don Diego de la Vega: You have passion, Alejandro, and your skill is growing. But to enter Montero's world, I must give you something which is completely beyond your reach.
Alejandro Murrieta: Ah, yes? And what is that?
Don Diego de la Vega: Charm

This doesn't make sense, you are positing that what you call contemporary style is standing outside the social and doesn't adapt to life events.
1) Most/all designers play with the canon of men's dress, basically questioning it's a priori, playfully remixing them or simply transgressing them. There is no outside, those hundred years of practice are still there but they were never static and never will be.
2) MCers by and large apply a fantasy image of the standards of days past to today's social landscape, it is wish fulfillment not a respect for their environment that drives them. Their environment wears oversized polos and maybe Gucci loafers as dress shoes. Attempting to freeze culture is as easy as attempting to freeze time.
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

He has gone pretty much full SW&D now. I think MoK is mostly there too. Parker may be on his way. I would too if I didn't have very clear Mon-Fri boundaries (and the CBD thread to keep me going)

I never look at that thread. Maybe I should start. Who are the allstars there I should pay attention to?

let it be known I have zero interest in attempting any SWD fits, but now I am curious to see them.
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