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post #1006 of 1781
Thank you for the explanation, definitely transparent.
post #1007 of 1781
did you significantly raise the pricing on the LCA boxes?
post #1008 of 1781
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Originally Posted by RIDER View Post

Hi Harrydog - How have you been? Just checked out this thread and I missed this drama when it was originally posted, but I thought I would set the record straight here. Even though it's old news now, and things have reverted, I am disappointed to see Leffot's name dragged around here like this, without any fact or knowledgeable commentary.

I am the one who insisted on the 'non-US' selling policy, and I alone. Last year Chay contacted me (we had communicated regularly on the re-development of the A/S Exclusive Range, and one thing led to another.....) and asked me to help introduce the new Exclusives to my clients here, and I accepted for a short term arrangement. The one caveat was that I didn't think there would be much potential in the US to develop a business and distribution thru independent retailers without a stock program, which they understood but were not in a position to invest in at the time. I agreed to finance the stock program and keep it going here from our warehouse, and handle all the requirements of the trade shows, travel, financing of terms to retailers, etc., etc.....all the normal work of a stock agency. However, those expenses require country specific price lists, like it or not. I'm not spending $40,000 a year in trade show costs, all the usual expenses to travel the US, taxes on inventory....everything, without being able to turn a profit on a distribution business here - not to mention something for my family in the way of a salary. I'm quite sure most here can appreciate the need to actually build a profitable business. If I was handling the financial commitment for them, then I was not going to allow a UK retailer to ship into the US on promotional prices, free shipping......no way to build a business, and not fair to put my family money at risk without protection. So, the memo went out eliminating the selling into the US to allow us to start to build the business here. It's normal procedure - just like Alden dealers here who are not allowed to ship into Japan. It's the way it is.

In the end, numerous circumstances involving A/S caused me to finally give notice that I was no longer interested in working with them here, and that we were returning the on-hand inventory to the UK and they can organize something here on their own for the future. Obviously, that allowed the shipping policy to revert to 'every man for himself', which is cool. Glad to see folks here getting a good deal on the shoes, as I always believed they represented very good value for the money. Also glad to see Julian and Sarah back in the game here, as my limited dealings with them were certainly honorable and I wish every family business much success.

However, I also felt the need to jump into this thread with an explanation, as I think it is patently unfair to have brought Leffot's name into this on speculation - especially since it is 100% false. And to wrap it up, if these conversations come up again with other lines here, you should note that rarely does a NYC retailer care at all about internet pricing and policies....they have enough trade and work to keep them busy without having to be concerned with such things. It's the suburban, smaller retailers who have a more limited trade and can sell, maybe, 18 pair of higher-end shoes a year to select clients who are concerned with organized pricing and limited distribution.


I was, uh, wondering what happened, since I never heard from you.
post #1009 of 1781
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I was, uh, wondering what happened, since I never heard from you.

Hi Ed - Well.....you were supposed to hear from Chay directly......
post #1010 of 1781
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

did you significantly raise the pricing on the LCA boxes?

On the big box, we did adjust up but the Groom Box stayed the same, I believe. Same with the leather kits - I think 4 we didn't change at all but 2 I know we had to raise the prices on.
post #1011 of 1781
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Originally Posted by RIDER View Post

Hi Ed - Well.....you were supposed to hear from Chay directly......

I'll shoot you an email over the weekend, I think I'll stick with Team Rider. Never heard from Chay.
post #1012 of 1781
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I'll shoot you an email over the weekend, I think I'll stick with Team Rider. Never heard from Chay.

Unfortunately, his business model seems to be to sell his shoes under Herring's banner instead of selling directly to retailers who will sell to the market. I'm not sure what's happened in the past six months, but despite great products, AS seems to be running into problems.
post #1013 of 1781
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

did you significantly raise the pricing on the LCA boxes?

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Originally Posted by RIDER View Post

On the big box, we did adjust up but the Groom Box stayed the same, I believe. Same with the leather kits - I think 4 we didn't change at all but 2 I know we had to raise the prices on.

Is this question for AFPOS or Ron? Our LCA boxes are the same price.
Edited by Afinepairofshoes - 5/23/13 at 11:28pm
post #1014 of 1781
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Originally Posted by Saratorial_Splender View Post

I ordered and received a Radwell. It would have been nice to get a belt!

Let me know which AS Belt you would like and what size and I will get it shipped for you.
post #1015 of 1781

Welcome back Julian.

 

How does the Radwell last (724) fit? As compared an 8.5F in 99 last (Ramseys).

post #1016 of 1781
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Originally Posted by Fiddler View Post

Welcome back Julian.

How does the Radwell last (724) fit? As compared an 8.5F in 99 last (Ramseys).

Thank you for your welcome.

The length of the 724 is approximately the same of the 99, with a little bit more in the width than the 99.
post #1017 of 1781
I wonder if AS will ever do an austerity brogue?
post #1018 of 1781
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Originally Posted by RIDER View Post


I am the one who insisted on the 'non-US' selling policy, and I alone. Last year Chay contacted me (we had communicated regularly on the re-development of the A/S Exclusive Range, and one thing led to another.....) and asked me to help introduce the new Exclusives to my clients here, and I accepted for a short term arrangement. The one caveat was that I didn't think there would be much potential in the US to develop a business and distribution thru independent retailers without a stock program, which they understood but were not in a position to invest in at the time. I agreed to finance the stock program and keep it going here from our warehouse, and handle all the requirements of the trade shows, travel, financing of terms to retailers, etc., etc.....all the normal work of a stock agency. However, those expenses require country specific price lists, like it or not. I'm not spending $40,000 a year in trade show costs, all the usual expenses to travel the US, taxes on inventory....everything, without being able to turn a profit on a distribution business here - not to mention something for my family in the way of a salary. I'm quite sure most here can appreciate the need to actually build a profitable business. If I was handling the financial commitment for them, then I was not going to allow a UK retailer to ship into the US on promotional prices, free shipping......no way to build a business, and not fair to put my family money at risk without protection. So, the memo went out eliminating the selling into the US to allow us to start to build the business here. It's normal procedure - just like Alden dealers here who are not allowed to ship into Japan. It's the way it is.

IMO the best way to bring customers to you without alienating them is to offer exclusive makes through your company that aren't available elsewhere, much like the offerings by Leather Soul. To me the idea of spending $200 more for a specific brand of shoe in the US, versus getting it cheaper overseas, defeats the purpose of a free market economy. Not many people have disposable incomes so it's a no-brainer. Buy a pair of AS Exclusives from Leffot for $720 or buy from AFPoS for around $500 shipped.
post #1019 of 1781
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Originally Posted by gaseousclay View Post

I wonder if AS will ever do an austerity brogue?

The Blake is part of the Handgrade range. We did a MTO to Exclusive standards on Handgrade lasts back in the fall through AFPOS, which has unfortunately been delayed. We can only hope it arrives next month. I wish I could show you a picture. Ours will be in oak, the same as these Ramsay's on AFPOS' site. http://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/collections/alfred-sargent-exclusive-collection-price-asc/products/alfred-sargent-exclusive-ramsey

The Blake is a shortwing, adelaide, austerity brogue, so not the same as other brands' versions.
post #1020 of 1781
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Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman View Post

The Blake is part of the Handgrade range. We did a MTO to Exclusive standards on Handgrade lasts back in the fall through AFPOS, which has unfortunately been delayed. We can only hope it arrives next month. I wish I could show you a picture. Ours will be in oak, the same as these Ramsay's on AFPOS' site. http://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/collections/alfred-sargent-exclusive-collection-price-asc/products/alfred-sargent-exclusive-ramsey

The Blake is a shortwing, adelaide, austerity brogue, so not the same as other brands' versions.

I was thinking of an austerity brogue like the EG Beaulieu's. I know there's a MTO Carmina austerity brogue in burnished burgundy from epaulet but I'd prefer a dark oak personally. Sorry to hear the AS MTO got delayed
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