Right now I can't afford c&j weymouths or eg newbury's, and these seem like good alternatives. I like the Italigentes a lot, but don't know much about them. Search function only brought up one old thread. A really sharp looking shoe with a lot of promise. The Cheaney is quite reasonably priced and will be a bit easier on the pocket. What do you guys think. Besides the whole blake/rapid construction debate (not sold that blake/rapid is worse) what do you think of the quality of these two? Opinions on what to invest in?