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post #46 of 59
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Originally Posted by Windycity View Post
Were all those hours you invested into studying in high school/college worth it? Are you where you wanted to be? Im only in high school and I belong to the top 10 percent of all students in the country but I ask myself if it is really worth it. what do you guys have to say to this?
College? Yes. Highschool? I didn't finish.
post #47 of 59
Yes and no. Yes in that it helped get me to where I am today. No in that I wish I was more well rounded today.
post #48 of 59
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Originally Posted by gungadin25 View Post
Yes and no. Yes in that it helped get me to where I am today. No in that I wish I was more well rounded today.
The right courses at college -- and even indepenent study apart from school -- can certainly help one to be well rounded. It just takes a little effort.
post #49 of 59
good points in here: should have studied the material more in terms of understanding my major more than studying to pass. now that i think about it, finishing my last quarter, it should balance out if i actually understood the material fully than maintaining my gpa i.e. i understand business but ended up with a 3.0 vs. i understand business (but should hit the books when i go interview/work) with a > 3.5 ... right?? potential employers could care less about my gpa if i can actually understand the field Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
post #50 of 59
thenanyu is right about HS providing the best cost-benefit investment you can make in yourself. Work your ass off and try to get into the top 10 or whatever. He's also right that you can always optimize your current situation. I really wish i'd studied harder in HS. I was at the top of a couple classes, but overall I didn't do jack shit and my grades showed it. Had I applied myself, who knows? But that's life. For various reasons I didn't apply myself, and I didn't apply myself in university either until it was too late to really matter. It's not like I'm hurting or unhappy, but there's a big big difference over a lifetime between the earnings of top 1% vs. top 5% and that bugs me. That said, it's also proof that even if you totally fuck up in school, if you're smart, work hard, and have decent people skills, you can still do better than 90-95% of the population, but it will be harder to get up there and you'll probably have a glass ceiling unless you're entrepreneurial.
post #51 of 59
Perhaps I can give some different perspective. I did not try hard in HS and got decent but unexceptional grades (2.8 cum gpa, 1020 SAT). I was an idiot and listened to my guidance counselor who, still unbelievably, recommended I go to the local community college rather than apply to schools. To this day I don't know why I listened to her and did not investigate on my own (she was shitcanned a year later after some parents of other kids found out she was doing this), but hearing that from someone I thought I could trust with helping me make decisions killed my desire to even apply to 'real' schools, and off I went to the local CC. After a year of straight As and thinking it was too easy I got bored and more interested in working, so I thought I would go to school at night and work full time. Not surprisingly, night school did not last. Long story short, I work in IT and where even a few years ago the right work experience/certs could get you a job, no longer. It is less important in this field to go to a 'name' school aside from the obvious networking that comes with going to Va Tech/UVA here. I started back a few years ago by taking online classes at an out of state school and finished last year. I wanted to have a high GPA and got it but it won't do me any good- it was for personal satisfaction, I would never even put honors/GPA stuff on a resume. I went back and finished because I really wanted/needed a degree, but I missed out on doing it the typical way and that will always, always be a regret. I strongly considered continuing on to a Master's but it is completely useless in my field for what I want to do, and my personal satisfaction is not worth the mountain of debt. For some fields it is a must, for most I would say busting ass for the Bachelor's and making good connections completely beats getting a Master's. I know quite a few people who got a Master's just because they couldn't figure out what they wanted to do... didn't help many of them and added a nice 50k to their loans.
post #52 of 59
I have watched the progress of Tansies personal website from beginning to end. I have been very impressed with the time and effort people have devoted to its creation. I now have one question. Was it worth it in the sense of, has it made any difference to her enquiries and her bookings?

Alan
post #53 of 59
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post
thenanyu is right about HS providing the best cost-benefit investment you can make in yourself. Work your ass off and try to get into the top 10 or whatever. He's also right that you can always optimize your current situation.

I really wish i'd studied harder in HS. I was at the top of a couple classes, but overall I didn't do jack shit and my grades showed it. Had I applied myself, who knows? But that's life. For various reasons I didn't apply myself, and I didn't apply myself in university either until it was too late to really matter.

It's not like I'm hurting or unhappy, but there's a big big difference over a lifetime between the earnings of top 1% vs. top 5% and that bugs me. That said, it's also proof that even if you totally fuck up in school, if you're smart, work hard, and have decent people skills, you can still do better than 90-95% of the population, but it will be harder to get up there and you'll probably have a glass ceiling unless you're entrepreneurial.

I somewhat disagree with this. We tend to think that matriculating at an elite university is a golden ticket mostly because the ranks of the business and political elite are filled with graduates of these schools but life is far more complicated than simply being accepted to Columbia and then making the big bucks. You need a plan, no matter where you go to college. The big difference between the elites and everywhere else is that kids who are accepted there, besides being smart, almost always have a plan. That translates to smarter career choices during school (i.e. internships) smarter choices upon graduation, and smarter choices afterwards as well. Add to this the fact that kids who end up at these schools often have educated and successful (and wealthy) families which means they are already start out with a better network and professional support network as freshman than many of us will ever have.

Simply saying that elite universities are a springboard to wealth and success is very naive. They certainly help in opening doors but the real difference between elite schools and everywhere else is the students who attend them.
post #54 of 59
If you slack off in school you slack off in life. There's no difference. The whole "book" smart vs. "street" smart thing is a sop to wimps.

Anyway...of course school was worth it unless you enjoy being an ignoramus.
post #55 of 59
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Originally Posted by SirGrotius View Post
If you slack off in school you slack off in life. There's no difference. The whole "book" smart vs. "street" smart thing is a sop to wimps.

Anyway...of course school was worth it unless you enjoy being an ignoramus.

I certainly didn't need school to stop me from being an ignoramus. One doesn't need school to learn. The public library is a great place to learn.
post #56 of 59
Yeah, it´s worth it.

But, in the end, the important thing will be the discipline to persevere, not your GPA. Seriously.
post #57 of 59
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Originally Posted by Lord-Barrington View Post
The big difference between the elites and everywhere else is that kids who are accepted there, besides being smart, almost always have a plan. That translates to smarter career choices during school (i.e. internships) smarter choices upon graduation, and smarter choices afterwards as well.

I am not so sure that I would give so much credit to the top school attendees. Not that I disagree with you totally, but there's more to the game than just being smart, hardworking, and having a plan.
The right degree can absolutely kick open doors that would otherwise be shut, even to some of the less-qualified students at these schools. I didn't attend the very best schools, by any means, but definitely "top 10" in both undergraduate and graduate. And you'd really be surprised at how many mediocre students, including myself, have received opportunities that they would not have otherwise.
And seriously, while these "mediocre" kids are definitely still on the very bright side of the larger spectrum, it in no way implies that they "would have kicked the competition's ass had they gone to a lesser school".
Of course, rising to the top of the world takes more than a degree--but sometimes, the typical very smart and very hardworking kid often isn't even aware of some of the opportunities out there, and while not having these opportunities might not prevent an otherwise bright/hardworking kid from rising to the top, having those opportunities make it a heck lot easier.
post #58 of 59
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Originally Posted by kxk View Post
I am not so sure that I would give so much credit to the top school attendees. Not that I disagree with you totally, but there's more to the game than just being smart, hardworking, and having a plan.
The right degree can absolutely kick open doors that would otherwise be shut, even to some of the less-qualified students at these schools. I didn't attend the very best schools, by any means, but definitely "top 10" in both undergraduate and graduate. And you'd really be surprised at how many mediocre students, including myself, have received opportunities that they would not have otherwise.
And seriously, while these "mediocre" kids are definitely still on the very bright side of the larger spectrum, it in no way implies that they "would have kicked the competition's ass had they gone to a lesser school".
Of course, rising to the top of the world takes more than a degree--but sometimes, the typical very smart and very hardworking kid often isn't even aware of some of the opportunities out there, and while not having these opportunities might not prevent an otherwise bright/hardworking kid from rising to the top, having those opportunities make it a heck lot easier.

I wasn't implying that elite schools are filled with geniuses. Aside from places like MIT and CalTech, which are filled with geniuses, I don't think students at elites are necessarily smarter than at most other schools. The difference, as I stated, is that most of these kids have "a plan" and a support system that makes it easier for them to strategically position themselves through early adulthood and into their career. And that, more than hard work or intelligence, is the key to professional success.
post #59 of 59
I'm 3rd year right now doing a BSc in Econ at a mediocre Canadian university. I slacked off in high school, just getting good enough grades to get me into uni. I only study about 3 or 4 hours a week now and I have around a B+ average; good enough to get me into a Master's program at another mediocre school. My plan after I graduate is almost set out (which is good).

Of course I think the hours I spent and am spending studying are 'worth it,' but that doesn't mean you should bust your ass off in school studying and rack up $100k in student loans only to get a high GPA. Keep your social life intact, it will keep you sane. There's been a few kids who got rejected from top schools with 4.0 GPA's just because they had no life outside of school.

The best advice I can give is go to school (if you really want to). Get into the best school you can. Study hard and play way the fuck harder. Make a lot of friends and bang the hottest girls you can, just to say you did it. And most importantly, DO YOU.
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