Originally Posted by FLMountainMan
Jeff, I bet you cringe when people say "shrimp scampi", don't you? Or when they use segue as a verb? Because those motherfuckers are ignorant, aren't they? And you want to teach them, you want to show them so badly it hurts. But consider this, O' Lord of the Lexicon, Dictator of the Dictionary, Viceroy of the Vernacular, if everybody knew that, if everyone knew how to speak the proper way, the way you speak, how the hell would you make yourself feel better? Did you ever think about that? If everyone spoke like you, just how would you differentiate yourself? How would you handle that? Did you think about that? So keep protesting, bro, keep fighting the good fight, changing hearts, changing minds. But just know that, deep down, this really isn't a fight you want to win.
No, he's right. A martini has a fixed meaning- gin+ vermouth. It's a specific cocktail. I don't suddenly start making, say, a cosmopolitan with brandy and claim that the new drink with a completely different character should be called the same thing, now do I? No. It would be stupid. How 'bout a gin daiquiri? Daiquiri's just a word, it can mean whatever you want it to mean, right? Once you go down the road of saying martini is just a word with no meaning, you open the door to cocktails like chocolate martinis, pumpkin martinis, ect. Stuff that's not made with gin, vermouth, vodka, doesn't share any of the three classic martini garnishes- In short, you make the word completely meaningless. yes, language changes. But it's not completely fluid. If it was, as you claim, "Go fuck yourself" could mean anything I want it to mean. It could mean that I want you to live long and prosper. But you know that's not what I would mean by that, right? Words have meaning. Martini is taken. Find something else. There's a movement afoot to give the vodka martini an identity all it's own, calling it the Stalini. why not try that one? I have nothing against the cocktail per say (other than the fact that I regard most any cocktail made with vodka as inferior to something made with a spirit that has flavor, but YMMV on that), but I do have an issue with people calling it a martini. It's not. As for the arrogance bit, is it really a point of shame to use the language correctly and to ask that others do so? or r u in flavor of tiping lik this?! i mean, if people wnt to typ like thier txtg its okay right! Edit: just should add that "vodka martini" is borderline. vodkatini is better, but if you're flat up calling it a martini, the above applies.