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post #12421 of 14333
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Holy smokes. God bless the USA and it's cheap liquor prices. I just picked up a bottle of Woodford for $26.

Yup. Buffalo Trace runs me about $25, and Evan Williams usually runs me about $13. God bless the USA and our massively subsidized corn crops!
post #12422 of 14333
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As a proud Canadian, I have to unfortunately say that the majority of the ones listed are not really that good. The only ones I would consider would be the CC 12, and variants of Crown Royal (not the Black). Also look for the formerly mentioned Alberta Springs, any of the Wiser's products, and Forty Creek products.

Canadian whiskey covers a broad range of mash bills from combinations of corn, wheat and barley to rye, so it can be difficult to pin down a flavour profile. It is not as sweet as bourbon as there is generally more rye and barley in Canadian Whiskey and less corn. It is usually very smooth, mellow and almost inoffensive. Hope that helps.
It does, thanks. Bummer that most of them are mediocre at best. Which of the three would you prefer?

Forty Creek Select is 85 € per liter. A quick search revealled that it's about $ 40 in the US. laugh.gif Wiser's and Forty Creek aren't available at all (or I just couldn't find it).

Has anyone tried Fever-Tree's ginger ale? Is it as good as their tonic waters and ginger beer?
post #12423 of 14333
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post

Yup. Buffalo Trace runs me about $25, and Evan Williams usually runs me about $13. God bless the USA and our massively subsidized corn crops!
Our terrible subsidy policy has nothing to do with the prices in Europe vs America. Although yes God bless our ability to get good alcohol relatively cheaply
post #12424 of 14333
Any of you Europhags tried Crabbie's ginger beer?
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Any of you Europhags tried Crabbie's ginger beer?
Almost. Sadly, the liquor store was just out of stock and not able to restock. Do you prefer it to Fever-Tree's'?
post #12426 of 14333
i dont think we have corn subsidies anymore
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Almost. Sadly, the liquor store was just out of stock and not able to restock. Do you prefer it to Fever-Tree's'?
Dunno, we just started selling it. Haven't tasted it yet.
post #12428 of 14333
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post

G&T with Wireworks gin. I recommend.

That gin is really bad.
post #12429 of 14333
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

i dont think we have corn subsidies anymore

They haven't been ended- and they're still in the new farm bill, so even after that passes, they'll be back. The only farm subsidy that's been ended in recent years are the direct payments that gave you money for land whether there are crops there or not (the infamous "paying people to not grow crops" provision).

You would notice if corn subsidies ended. For one, you would see a whole lot less HFCS- the reason that shiat exists is because corn subsidies and sugar tariffs combine to make the HFCS cheaper, even if not by much. Massive corn subsidies go away, and *poof*, everybody is drinking coke with real sugar in it.
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Our terrible subsidy policy has nothing to do with the prices in Europe vs America. Although yes God bless our ability to get good alcohol relatively cheaply

True, but look at the price of a decent basic scotch versus a bourbon of similar quality. If only the UK would subsidize barley to the same extent!

But yeah, only marginally relevant.
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I don't think it's that simplistic. Corn subsidies in 2012 was 2.7 billion. Total us corn production in 2012 was 10.8 billion bushels. So $.25 per bushel and at 5.3 gallons of alcohol per bushel of grain and 50% corn in bourbon that gives you $.025 in subsidy per gallon of bourbon or $.005 per 750 ml bottle of bourbon. Not even noticeable.

I think the more important figure than the subsidies is the 10.8 billion bushel figure. Subsidies don't seem to account for much considering an acre of land only produces 150 bushels so an extra $37.50 in subsidies per acre land. I don't think an extra $40 is going to convince somebody to switch production to corn.
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If it doesn't affect anyone's behavior, why do we do it?

$40 an acre is actually a lot, when you multiply it over 400 acres are so, which is a medium sized family farm. $16,000. USDA says that a 200 acre farm usually makes about $8,000 a year. Assume some costs are roughly fixed (equipment), and a 400 acre farm might get you about $20,000. Without the subsidy, $4,000 a year, if that. Still think that $40 an acre isn't much?

Edit: Of course, the corporate farms are generally 2,000 acres plus. Want to figure out how much money they get? Roughly half of American farmland is corporate, by the way.
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what is maf
post #12433 of 14333
You're right it is a lot. It would convince a family to keep producing corn but it doesn't account for cheaper bourbon in the states. Subsidies directly account for only half a cent per bottle. I could see a counter argument made that indirectly subsidies suppress prices of corn itself. However Jun 2012 Paris corn futures were trading at 260 euros vs 260 usd in the us. So a 25%ish difference in prices that subsidies cause assuming all else is equal. So really a 12.5% difference in price between bourbon and whiskey assuming no difference in barley prices due to lack of subsidies in either side of the ocean.
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your all else is equal is wrong
post #12435 of 14333
I'm not sure how else to figure out difference in grain prices due to corn subsidies in the us. I'm sure there are other factors to consider but the assumption of the original argument was that corn subsidies are the only thing that's different between the differences in corn and barley prices in us and uk. Going along with that assumption i think my all else is equal makes sense

Realistically what else is there that causes a significant difference in prices between the two countries?


In keeping with this thread about to drink a 1:1 coffee:water cold brew. So strong.
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