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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post

Also, in general, I think rye is one of the best QPR liquors around. Overholt or Rittenhouse (and probably Beam as well) are very good, and quite affordable, at least in the US. A liter of Overholt is, what, $22?

Overholt is $9.50 for 750 mL for me. It's one of those things that is so cheap I've always assumed it had to be terrible.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I have taken a shine to vodka martinis with bacon stuffed olives. What horrifies me though is the number of places that want to give you straight vodka in a cocktail glass if you order one. I've had chippie bartenders tell me they've never heard of someone actually wanting vermouth in their vodka martini. Pretty much same goes for gin except you're more likely to get a couple drops of vermouth swirled in the glass and dumped.

Most "martinis" are just weird sweet mixed drinks served in a martini glass. Rum and fruit juice? Martini. Vodka and anything? Martini. Guess we can't be too surprised that nobody seems to remember that a "real" martini is a little more than just liquor in a glass, shaken.



I love people who order a "dirty martini, dry" with some call liquor. You really need Belvedere or Grey Goose in your glass of salty olive brine?
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Overholt is $9.50 for 750 mL for me. It's one of those things that is so cheap I've always assumed it had to be terrible.

That is insanely cheap. I knew I was paying more because of New York prices, but damn.

Give it a try if you like rye. It's not a sipping rye, but it makes a very good Manhattan.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Overholt is $9.50 for 750 mL for me. It's one of those things that is so cheap I've always assumed it had to be terrible.
Most "martinis" are just weird sweet mixed drinks served in a martini glass. Rum and fruit juice? Martini. Vodka and anything? Martini. Guess we can't be too surprised that nobody seems to remember that a "real" martini is a little more than just liquor in a glass, shaken.



I love people who order a "dirty martini, dry" with some call liquor. You really need Belvedere or Grey Goose in your glass of salty olive brine?

What's a martini glass? confused.gif Or do you mean a cocktail glass? teacha.giflaugh.gifwink.gif

Agreed though and even "vodka martini" is a misnomer if one is being accurate as that's a Kangaroo Kicker.

Also agree about the overuse of brine. I know a woman that orders a double Ketel on the rocks and a side glass full of brine then mixes it about 1:1. Yuck. I do like a splash of brine in my vodka martinis, and I mean a splash, in my usual 4 oz recipe. Gin I do not like dirty.

"Dry" is also painful these days. I like mine dry but to me that means a 3:1. Dry in modern parlance means to either swirl a few drops in the glass and dump or to maybe put 1/6th oz in a 4 oz pour of vodka.

It all just makes me feel like yelling for people to get off my lawn.
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Don't forget about the people that think a Martini =



@Piob: Thanks, forgot about the Jim Beam Rye. Apparently the price diference in the US is marginal. Here, on the other hand, it's a hefty 50% premium (Jim Beam @ 21.50 € / l; Overholt @ 32 € / l). I'm just going to assume that the reason is because Old Overholt is less prejudiced than Jim Beam.

So, nobody tried the Summer Cup? Apparently they use their top-shelf gin which somehow accounts for the expensiveness (their gin @ 83.2 proof is 53 € / l; the Summer Cup @ 58 proof is 61 € / l). I'm still tempted to try it, but I don't see how I can justify preparing a longdrink that's about 6 € in liquor costs anytime soon.
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What justification is needed other than "I wanted to"?
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Fair enough. laugh.gif
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Don't forget about the people that think a Martini =



@Piob: Thanks, forgot about the Jim Beam Rye. Apparently the price diference in the US is marginal. Here, on the other hand, it's a hefty 50% premium (Jim Beam @ 21.50 € / l; Overholt @ 32 € / l). I'm just going to assume that the reason is because Old Overholt is less prejudiced than Jim Beam.

So, nobody tried the Summer Cup? Apparently they use their top-shelf gin which somehow accounts for the expensiveness (their gin @ 83.2 proof is 53 € / l; the Summer Cup @ 58 proof is 61 € / l). I'm still tempted to try it, but I don't see how I can justify preparing a longdrink that's about 6 € in liquor costs anytime soon.

Go with Beam if the price difference is that great, There is nothing wrong with Old O' though. It is really cheap and a good QPR.


Fun little video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hZRl7xl772o

Edited by Bhowie - 7/10/13 at 10:39am
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This is a great photograph. That looks like cocobolo, which is not a common wood.

Thank you Huntsman. I really like the products from Art in the Age of. Their Root is a staple of my liquor cabinet as I love the balance between the bitterness and the ever so slight sweetness to go along with the nose. With the increased love for amaros in the last couple of years, I'm surprised this hasn't become more popular.

The Rhubarb is just perfectly summery, refreshing just with ice or with a splash of soda. There really is nothing else like their products on the market.

As to the wood, unfortunately I have no idea.
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It's like that latest and greatest US whisky that is actually made in Alberta Canada. We're just seeing in whisky what has been going in vodka for years.

Whistlepig Farms...just remembered the name.

I have recommended it before, and will continue to do so, but Alberta Premium's rye is one of the only 100% ryes produced in Canada, and their 10 year old Alberta Springs variant is only $23. It is my go-to for almost any whisky based cocktail. I dare say even better than Wiser's Pio.
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I have recommended it before, and will continue to do so, but Alberta Premium's rye is one of the only 100% ryes produced in Canada, and their 10 year old Alberta Springs variant is only $23. It is my go-to for almost any whisky based cocktail. I dare say even better than Wiser's Pio.

I think it depends what you're going for. Corn dominant is smoother and sweeter with rye being more spicey and it also seems to pick up tannins from the barrel more. AS is a great whisky, don't get me wrong, just think the mash bill is too different for direct comparisons. I do however encourage all to drink Canadian whisky no matter what your preferred brand is. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by b1os View Post

Even cheaper than Four Roses (18 € vs 20 € per liter)! Will try Evan Williams Black. I'll also try Buffalo Trace (34 € per liter as opposed to 43 € for the Woodford). Speaking of Buffalo Trace, has anyone tried Old Charter 101? Apparently it has lots of rye in the mash bill too.

Holy smokes. God bless the USA and it's cheap liquor prices. I just picked up a bottle of Woodford for $26.
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Holy smokes. God bless the USA and it's cheap liquor prices. I just picked up a bottle of Woodford for $26.

Back in the late 80/early 90s it used to kill me that they made CC in my city and it cost me over $40 to buy a 40 ouncer when the people on the other side of the Detroit River were paying $12.
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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post

Anything with Campari in it. This mostly means Negronis or Boulevardiers. So great with the hot weather.

I'm with b1os, I've never had a Boulevardier before. Time to go back to the liquor store for Campari so I can indulge tonight.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I do however encourage all to drink Canadian whisky no matter what your preferred brand is. smile.gif
Never had Canadian Whisky so far. So I've got absolutely no idea. Which can you recommend regarding QPR? How does it compare to "regular US" bourbon or rye? You also prepare "bourbon" highballs with Canadian whisky, right?

I can get: (all prices per liter)
Canadian Club 6 (18 €)
Canadian Club 12 (30 €)
Crown Royal (24 €)
Crown Royal Black (30 €)
Crown Royal Seagram''s (26 €)
Seagram's VO (19 €)
Seagram's Seven Crown (23 €)
Old Canada Mc Guiness (21 €)
Canadian Mist (18 €)
Royal Canadian (20 €)
Royal Canadian 5 (23 €)
Black Velvet (13 €)
Black Velvet Reserve 8 (19 €)
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Holy smokes. God bless the USA and it's cheap liquor prices. I just picked up a bottle of Woodford for $26.
Interestingly enough, liquor prices in Germany are among the cheapest in the EU. Thank god. laugh.gif
post #12419 of 14136
G&T with Wireworks gin. I recommend.
post #12420 of 14136
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Originally Posted by b1os View Post

Never had Canadian Whisky so far. So I've got absolutely no idea. Which can you recommend regarding QPR? How does it compare to "regular US" bourbon or rye? You also prepare "bourbon" highballs with Canadian whisky, right?

I can get: (all prices per liter)
Canadian Club 6 (18 €)
Canadian Club 12 (30 €)
Crown Royal (24 €)
Crown Royal Black (30 €)
Crown Royal Seagram''s (26 €)
Seagram's VO (19 €)
Seagram's Seven Crown (23 €)
Old Canada Mc Guiness (21 €)
Canadian Mist (18 €)
Royal Canadian (20 €)
Royal Canadian 5 (23 €)
Black Velvet (13 €)
Black Velvet Reserve 8 (19 €)

As a proud Canadian, I have to unfortunately say that the majority of the ones listed are not really that good. The only ones I would consider would be the CC 12, and variants of Crown Royal (not the Black). Also look for the formerly mentioned Alberta Springs, any of the Wiser's products, and Forty Creek products.

Canadian whiskey covers a broad range of mash bills from combinations of corn, wheat and barley to rye, so it can be difficult to pin down a flavour profile. It is not as sweet as bourbon as there is generally more rye and barley in Canadian Whiskey and less corn. It is usually very smooth, mellow and almost inoffensive. Hope that helps.
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