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post #31 of 36
3/19/11 at 11:39pm
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Here's the playbook.
"And then, eventually, the whole thing sort of evolves, uh, or devolves … into this sort of Robbe-Grillet mystery, you know? But with no real resolution."
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post #32 of 36
3/19/11 at 11:43pm
ah ok... so obscure and pretentious? I expect to read this about 2001 or some Tarkovski but maybe I need to see Deerhunter again - I don't remember it as pretentious.
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post #33 of 36
3/19/11 at 11:45pm
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I don't think it was either. It's actually my favorite of the four.
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post #34 of 36
3/19/11 at 11:58pm
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ah ok... so obscure and pretentious? I expect to read this about 2001 or some Tarkovski but maybe I need to see Deerhunter again - I don't remember it as pretentious.

Not obscure. But somewhat pretentious and more importantly far too intellectually ambitious for what it actually delivered.
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post #35 of 36
3/20/11 at 12:01am
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I don't see what was intellectually ambitious about it. It was a very straightforward examination of war's collateral damage. I think its greatest ambition was the liberty it took in the plausibility of its plot, which may or may not be over the edge of ridiculous. Ultimately I don't think it's ridiculous because the Russian roulette theme works as a metaphor on the arbitrary nature of survival vs. death for soldiers and its lack of correlation to merit and self-determination.
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post #36 of 36
3/20/11 at 12:09am
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I don't see what was intellectually ambitious about it. It was a very straightforward examination of war's collateral damage. I think its greatest ambition was the liberty it took in the plausibility of its plot, which may or may not be over the edge of ridiculous.
I think Cimino was trying to say a lot of things in The Deerhunter despite its relatively straightforward plotline amongst them the inhumanity of war, "manliness" (in the Machiavellian sense of the term), and the tenuous limits of sanity. But all of these themes seemed only halfway developed in my opinion. The Russian Roulette scene was a tremendous set piece but it was hardly nuanced in its underlying message.
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