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post #46 of 60
A lot of young solicitors I know work the kind of hours where their suits are always creased, their shirts unironed, etc. At least those in business casual look kinda comfortable.

On the other hand, they often look like they're still 15 and watching a school rugby game. I cracked up at a client meeting where the solicitors (2 partners) were in jeans and polos, and we rocked up (in the middle of a hot summer) in black suits (both of us, by pure coincidence) with silver cufflinks, silk pochettes, the whole nine yards.

Gotta love the private Bar...
post #47 of 60
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Originally Posted by Mentos
For those who have never seen this gem. Unclear whether he was caz or bizcaz while rocking Skadden on x-mas. Whether or not it's real, it reflects a certain dysfunctionality that is a delight to behold.

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http://www.whostolethetarts.com/archives/000405.html

These emails are currently being forwarded around -- I can't vouch for their accuracy, but they did contain a whole lot of confidentiality notices that I ignored entirely. I rearranged the email so you can read it straight through (instead of from the bottom up).

>>>Lena XXX 02/09/04 03:37PM >>>
Hi Xxxxxxxx,

As per the expense coordinator, Debra ---, the meals on 12/25/03 for $45.00 and the meal on 01/19/04 for $43.00 were not within the 10 block radius. Did you have these meals delivered to the office? If the meals were not delivered they will be reduced from your expense total. Please advise. Thank you and have a great day.

Lena XXX
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP
White Plains Office
(Phone Number)

>>>02/09/04 03:55PM >>>
Lena,

I believe that the January 19th meal was either delivered or picked up and brought into the office by me. Please let me know what restaurant that was, and I can confirm. If I am the one that picked it up and brought it in, THEN CONSIDER ME THE DELIVERY PERSON WHO DELIVERED IT TO THE OFFICE.

The meal on December 25th was god damn Christmas Day when I was stuck here, couldn't find a fucking restaurant in Times Square that (i) delivered, or (ii) had less than a 2-1/2 hour wait, and consequently was forced to venture outside the precious "10 block radius" to avoid starvation. Given the temperature that day and my belief that time was of the essence in order to get my work done, I did not, of course, walk ten blocks north of here, then scour every restaurant within your "zone" in order to find the one in which I could eat without losing substantial time. In lieu thereof, I went to a restaurant "outside your zone" that I knew to be open, had a meal and then returned.

Please advise me accordingly. In the absence of reimbursement for my meal on December 25th, I would appreciate your office having someone available this upcoming Christmas Day so that when I am stuck here, I will have someone to call for advance approval on a meal.

Kind regards,

-Xxxxxxxx

This looks legit, if we assume the associate is clueless. Most of the people in accounting probably don't have authority to override the default expense rules, so I doubt this woman was trying to be deliberately mean. The associate should have written a polite reply, with a cc to the partner who made him work on Xmas. "I am copying [Partner .....] on this message to request his approval for this reimbursement. Thank you again for your assistance," etc.

In this case, the $45 is almost meaningless when you're giving the higher-ups reason to question your professional judgment, perhaps even your mental health.
post #48 of 60
Also, getting back to the main topic of this thread, I think that iammatt's and odoreater's posts contain very good advice. One thing I would add is that, as Jose is not an American, there will be less pressure for him to conform and greater allowances made for any sartorial (or, more broadly, cultural) missteps he makes while working at an American law firm. Therefore, Jose, you should rest easy and rock those plaid suits, bright colored pocket squares, pink ties, and light brown shoes. Just do good work, never turn down an assignment, smile even if you're unhappy, and, of course, remember not to f*ck the partner's secretary.
post #49 of 60
Thread Starter 
I wonder what it would be like to show up for work in a check shirt and suede oxfords to go with your conservative dark grey suit. What would Manton say?
post #50 of 60
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Originally Posted by josepidal
I wonder what it would be like to show up for work in a check shirt and suede oxfords to go with your conservative dark grey suit. What would Manton say?

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post #51 of 60
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Originally Posted by josepidal
I wonder what it would be like to show up for work in a check shirt and suede oxfords to go with your conservative dark grey suit. What would Manton say?
Since I did it yesterday, I guess I would say that it is OK. Except the suit was blue. But I would wear that with gray, too, and often do.
post #52 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manton
Since I did it yesterday, I guess I would say that it is OK. Except the suit was blue. But I would wear that with gray, too, and often do.
Seconded. Except I don't have the suede shoes.
post #53 of 60
I wore a navy suit, with a checked blue shirt and brown shoes the other day. Not sure what color my tie was. Don't think it would have made much of a difference if I wore suede shoes instead of regular calf shoes. Heck, next week I'm planning on rocking my new suede Tramezzas.

Like I said, it's all a judgment call. As lawyers, we're called upon to use our judgment all day. If we can't exercise good judgment in dressing ourselves appropriately in the morning, well, our clients and colleagues won't have much confidence in us.
post #54 of 60
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by odoreater
Like I said, it's all a judgment call. As lawyers, we're called upon to use our judgment all day. If we can't exercise good judgment in dressing ourselves appropriately in the morning, well, our clients and colleagues won't have much confidence in us.
This is lawyerese for "I'm now distancing myself from my previous over-the-top trollish response to this thread, and I hope my newfound vagueness hides the fact that I don't really work at Skadden."

Good thing I'm studying legal philosophy and international law, and will likely be a happy academic.
post #55 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by josepidal
This is lawyerese for "I'm now distancing myself from my previous over-the-top trollish response to this thread, and I hope my newfound vagueness hides the fact that I don't really work at Skadden."

Good thing I'm studying legal philosophy and international law, and will likely be a happy academic.

I think this is a good choice fo you Jose. It will give you a chance to ask ALL the really important questions about life.
post #56 of 60
Us marketing guys can wear whatever moves us. Send in the clowns.
post #57 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manton
Since I did it yesterday, I guess I would say that it is OK. Except the suit was blue. But I would wear that with gray, too, and often do.


I wore dark brown suede shoes w/ a dark charcoal suit a few weeks ago before the weather got wet and nasty. GO FOR IT
post #58 of 60
Thread Starter 
Aportnoy, this isn't a hint that you're buying up Berlutis next, are you?
post #59 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by josepidal
This is lawyerese for "I'm now distancing myself from my previous over-the-top trollish response to this thread, and I hope my newfound vagueness hides the fact that I don't really work at Skadden."

Good thing I'm studying legal philosophy and international law, and will likely be a happy academic.

What are you talking about? Over-the-top trollish remark? I've been here for years and made over a thousand posts, and this is the first time I've been called a troll. What about my advice do you find trollish you fool? Show up at work the first day in a loud windowpane suit, loud tie, and tan shoes and see what kind of reception you get. When all the partners you work for are wearing navy suits, blue buttondown shirts and red ties, you're going to look like a clown. There's nothing over the top in my first post and I stand by every word of it.

Oh, and I never claimed to work for Skadden. I wouldn't work for that shithole of a firm for all the money in the world - as much as they wanted me to.

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Originally Posted by odoreater
For what it's worth, I work at a firm with a business casual dress code and I don't feel that it's acceptable to wear more flamboyant suits because of the business casual policy. If you're going to wear a suit, you're wearing a conservative suit and that's that. You don't want people thinking that you're more interested in the way you're dressed and the way your pocket square coordinates with your tie than you are about the work that you're doing. I try to portray the image of someone who is focused on my work and dedicated to the success of clients. I wear suits all the time in my business casual office because suits are pretty normal in my practice group, but I don't feel that the business casual policy gives me the green light to bust out crazy flamboyant outfit. You don't want people to notice you because of what you're wearing - you want them to notice you because you do high quality (and high quantity with pretty quick turnover) work and you're available and dependable when people need you.

What part of that do you find to be trollish or over the top?
post #60 of 60
Jose you get weirder by the day my friend. I can't imagine how you interact with client's if your posts on here are at all representative of your personality.

MrR
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