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post #346 of 1018

I just bought a Kiton Jeans, how can I know thats authentic?

there are a few things about the jeans that an inattentive or low-budget counterfeiter might not do - -

first, they should almost always (always?) be button-fly, and the buttons are these substantial things on a ball pivot that look like they would be expensive to make/counterfeit.

second, the rivets all have the Kiton logo on it

third, the jeans should all be selvedge

btw, they also have these very light "jeans" that are cut like jeans but aren't made of denim - they are made of cotton that looks like polyester and are always in horrible bright tacky colors. believe it or not, those are authentic as well. but still terrible.
post #347 of 1018
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

there are a few things about the jeans that an inattentive or low-budget counterfeiter might not do - -
first, they should almost always (always?) be button-fly, and the buttons are these substantial things on a ball pivot that look like they would be expensive to make/counterfeit.
second, the rivets all have the Kiton logo on it
third, the jeans should all be selvedge
btw, they also have these very light "jeans" that are cut like jeans but aren't made of denim - they are made of cotton that looks like polyester and are always in horrible bright tacky colors. believe it or not, those are authentic as well. but still terrible.

 

Yes, that's why i'm suspecious about it. It's VERY soft and light, like no other jeans I seen in my life. But for a Kiton is normal right? Thank you

post #348 of 1018
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

there are a few things about the jeans that an inattentive or low-budget counterfeiter might not do - -
first, they should almost always (always?) be button-fly, and the buttons are these substantial things on a ball pivot that look like they would be expensive to make/counterfeit.

Many denim products have that kind of button now, especially jackets.
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

second, the rivets all have the Kiton logo on it

That's very easily done. How many million Kiton logo rivets do you want made?
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third, the jeans should all be selvedge

There's hundreds/thousands of denim apparel factories in China that'll do you selvedge if you want. All listed on Global Sources, Alibaba and Made-in-China.
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btw, they also have these very light "jeans" that are cut like jeans but aren't made of denim - they are made of cotton that looks like polyester and are always in horrible bright tacky colors. believe it or not, those are authentic as well. but still terrible.

I've noticed that many counterfeits can actually be rather high quality. It's not just the rubbish misspelled dreck any more. There's a reason for that, because many of the sweat shops making apparel for Kiton, Gucci, Armani, Evisu, Levi, etc. are also making the fakes.
post #349 of 1018
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Many denim products have that kind of button now, especially jackets.
That's very easily done. How many million Kiton logo rivets do you want made?
There's hundreds/thousands of denim apparel factories in China that'll do you selvedge if you want. All listed on Global Sources, Alibaba and Made-in-China.
I've noticed that many counterfeits can actually be rather high quality. It's not just the rubbish misspelled dreck any more. There's a reason for that, because many of the sweat shops making apparel for Kiton, Gucci, Armani, Evisu, Levi, etc. are also making the fakes.


Do you think my Kiton (picture in previous page) is fake or not? Thank you

post #350 of 1018
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Do you think my Kiton (picture in previous page) is fake or not? Thank you

It could be very difficult, maybe impossible to tell a real from fake. Although I've never handled a real pair of Kiton jeans. I don't know what the denim feels like. The hardware and construction certainly looks OK from the pictures, it's not shoddy.

As I posted previously, many fakes are coming from the same factories/sweat shops that make the real ones. Unauthorised second-shift production, or seconds or rejects that the factories sell out the backdoor. Probably the only way to be sure you're getting the real-mccoy, is if you buy them from an authorised Kiton store or concession.
post #351 of 1018
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It could be very difficult, maybe impossible to tell a real from fake. Although I've never handled a real pair of Kiton jeans. I don't know what the denim feels like. The hardware and construction certainly looks OK from the pictures. As I posted previously, many fakes are coming from the same factories/sweat shops that make the real ones, unauthorised second-shift production, maybe seconds or rejects that the factories sell out the backdoor


Im going to a Kiton store to ask them about it.

post #352 of 1018
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post


I've noticed that many counterfeits can actually be rather high quality. It's not just the rubbish misspelled dreck any more. There's a reason for that, because many of the sweat shops making apparel for Kiton, Gucci, Armani, Evisu, Levi, etc. are also making the fakes.

 

Is it "fake" if it is made in the same factory with the same material?

post #353 of 1018
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Is it "fake" if it is made in the same factory with the same material?

Not necessarily, unauthorised second-shift production may use inferior, cheaper materials. The quality of the denim could be an indicator. However there's any number of factories that will make you good quality Kiton(or whatever brand you want) rivets and tack-buttons.

There's a very fascinating and informative book called The Economics of Counterfeit Trade: Governments, Consumers, Pirates and Intellectual Property Rights, it's on Google Books and Amazon. Plus I know a few people who work in the contract apparel industry, they're ex-students of mine.
post #354 of 1018
Sorry Levi top looks fake to me.

Free size, never heard of a free size.
post #355 of 1018
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

I've noticed that many counterfeits can actually be rather high quality. It's not just the rubbish misspelled dreck any more. There's a reason for that, because many of the sweat shops making apparel for Kiton, Gucci, Armani, Evisu, Levi, etc. are also making the fakes.

This has been going on for years. I've known people who pay $2k and up for a hermes birkin. Compared to the real thing, couldn't see any differences fwiw, but the buyer clearly knows the item is fake
post #356 of 1018

How to tell an Authentic Brioni suit?

What are the pointers for authenticating a Brioni suit? Stitching, collar, labels?

 

thanks

post #357 of 1018

some more pics. excuse the dust and lint, my cat's fur got all over it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #358 of 1018
That's authentic
post #359 of 1018
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

That's authentic


Thanks for your input. It does look good to me as well, I've compared it to several other suits and all the fine details seem to be there. Now the only problem is the pants are kinda small, I'm hoping my tailor can get another 2"+ out from the reserve. I really need to lose some weight.

post #360 of 1018
Well, I have a less scientific but nonetheless reliable method. It only takes a few easy steps:

1. Put said suit on.
2. Head out to the nearest nightclub.
3. Have a drink or two.
4. When the club is rocking, hit the head.
5. After hitting the head, move to the sink.
6. Look in the mirror.
7. Look to your left.
8. Now right.
9. If you have the strong sense of being able to kick the ass of anyone who happens to be standing next to you, you are indeed wearing Brioni.

Rob
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