Originally Posted by rach2jlc
I still don't get it; you don't have the skills for a job, you go get the skills. What happened to hard work? Nobody ever gave me anything, and I certainly couldn't "afford" the best schools, but I worked hard and went to them anyway.
I certainly can't believe that it's a longstanding viewpoint or conceptual mindset that if you don't have what it takes to get something, you just give up and lie about it. What happened about working for your goals? Understanding WHY people do what they do, and then slightly justifying it by means of "fairness" doesn't make sense. Life isn't fair. If you can't get what you want, you either work harder to get it, or adjust your goals accordingly.
I don't believe that what you mentioned even could have been something intelligible to human thought before the 1970's. For some reason, we have the belief today that just because we're alive, we all ought to be earning $200k a year and living our dreams. I'm "special," which means that I deserve it.
I see your point, though; thank you for clarifying. I just can't see how it actually makes sense, or why understanding the practice should in any way keep us from trying to stop it. Certainly I can't "appreciate" their reason for doing it, because they almost assuredly did not exhaust all the possible options in doing it. This isn't stealing a loaf of bread to survive, here.
edit; I had a whole nice response worked up, and my interwebz crapped out. SO, sorry this follow-up is choppy.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't think it's realistic in some regards. It's not as black and white as you are making it out to be. Just because you didn't go to a school recognized by some company you want to work for, doesn't mean that you haven't worked hard.
I know people who have educated themselves and gained experience through working for free and doing internships (because they couldn't afford to go to school or couldn't get into a school) - ultimately making them much more qualified than the person who actually went to school, but if some office monkey in HR is only looking for people who went to a fancy university like he did, then what choice does the hopeful employee actually have. He worked hard, he could do the job with his eyes closed based on the hard work you speak of and not because he felt he was owed the job simply because he is alive or that he is "special".
There are many stories of high profile successful people in business or media, who later admitted (through a biography or some interview) that they lied to get their foot in the door for whatever reason. It's also usually treated as a funny or entertaining anecdote to someone's brilliant career. No one is saying strip them of their billions of dollars, because they lied. In some cases, people have considered the lie to be a smart move, because their career now justifies the lie. No one cares that they lied 40 years ago to get a job in the mailroom of the company they wanted to work for and that they now run.