These are the newest version of these, with the deer skin patch. The were hot-soaked twice initially, so they shouldn't shrink any more. Worn occasionally over 5 months. Very minimal fading and LOADS of life left. Also, I preemptively had Scheaffer's (Denim Doctors) do a full invisible crotch re-enforcement, so these things are fucking bullet proof. Waist: 34 Thigh: 12.25 Knee: 8.5 Hem: 8 Inseam: 31 $195 shipped or LA pickup. 
