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Update: Flyers need to strap their balls on for the next game or it's over.
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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post
True statement. I think it was a combination of lack of money and a terrible venue. The Joe is just such a piece. I have zero interest in paying my own dollars to sitting in such a run-down structure. Also, being badgered by a gaggle of homeless people that line up one of the only entrance/exit routes to the parking structure doesn't really help their cause. Until Illitch announces a new arena, which has been rumored to be soon, I think attendance will always be down (except for playoffs), even if we have another 60 win team. I'll admit that most Detroit sports fans in general are total bandwagon fans. We hop right on when times a great and hop off so quick when it's bad (IE this year's Pistons).

I agree. The Wings definitely need a new arena. But they need to keep it on the riverfront. I would love to somehow have an arena with huge windows looking out to the Detroit River. The Wings have been simply outplayed by San Jose, but they'll be back next year. Datsyuk is the fucking man.
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so we can see shithole Windsor? I'd love for it to be on the river, but i doubt it's going to happen.

word is that it's going in between the fox and MGM. illitch has been buying property like crazy over there.
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Fcuk, STILL ALIVE!!!!
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Originally Posted by runner-guy View Post
I agree. The Wings definitely need a new arena. But they need to keep it on the riverfront. I would love to somehow have an arena with huge windows looking out to the Detroit River. The Wings have been simply outplayed by San Jose, but they'll be back next year. Datsyuk is the fucking man.

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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post
so we can see shithole Windsor? I'd love for it to be on the river, but i doubt it's going to happen.

word is that it's going in between the fox and MGM. illitch has been buying property like crazy over there.

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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post
The wings desperately need a new stadium. Say what you will about the Joe but it's a fucking piece of garbage. I have hardly any interest in going to a game yet will watch plenty of games at home

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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post
True statement. I think it was a combination of lack of money and a terrible venue. The Joe is just such a piece. I have zero interest in paying my own dollars to sitting in such a run-down structure. Also, being badgered by a gaggle of homeless people that line up one of the only entrance/exit routes to the parking structure doesn't really help their cause. Until Illitch announces a new arena, which has been rumored to be soon, I think attendance will always be down (except for playoffs), even if we have another 60 win team. I'll admit that most Detroit sports fans in general are total bandwagon fans. We hop right on when times a great and hop off so quick when it's bad (IE this year's Pistons).


Couple of things. Go get some popcorn.

1. I have associates who are Olympia associates, so sort of straight from the horses mouth:
Plans have been underway for a new stadium on land behind the fox that Illitch owns (all the parking lots) for a while now. The sticking point is that he wants the city to pay for a lot of it (he put up most of the money for Comerica). Obviously detroit told him to get lost, so he keeps threathning to move the team to the Palace.

2. Since he and Bill Davidson (owner of the pistons) hated each other, that was always a hollow threat, but now that he is dead, and the widow desperately wants to sell the team and assets, there is some more validity (and the palace is already set up for hockey).

3. The rumor with the most legs is that Illitch is going to buy the assets of the Palace (the arena and the other concert venues) off the widow and help either finance or make the sale of the pistons happen. (favorite rumor - dan gilbert sells his interest in the cavs and buys the pistons). The new owner would then be obligated to partner with the wings on a new stadium downtown (this would be a win win for everyone - more on the palace later). This is somewhat underway now with Illitch hiring Tom Wilson who was the PSE VP.

4. I dont think they will move to the Palace this year, its probably not worth it. They are already selling 2010-2011 season tickets and the big issue with the palace is how far away it is from everything. God bless Davidson, but he built that thing somewhere it was only convenient to him. That said, it will be interesting if they do move up there to test the luxury box game (with the Northern Oakland County money). but at the same time it would seriously alienate the core red wings audience (downriver, macomb, windsor) that wont make the drive (trust me its a hike).

5. As for the stadium being sold out, yes, its a function of the economy. like I said before, the core red wings fans (partially because of the location of the Joe) are blue collar down river, etc... and the hardest hit by the recession. I have been going to games since the mid 80's (I am 30) so I dont think its fair to characterize detroit as fair weather. That said, dont forget the other half of the population is African American and they are not the biggest hockey fans (see the pistons)
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Originally Posted by jgold47 View Post
Couple of things. Go get some popcorn.

1. I have associates who are Olympia associates, so sort of straight from the horses mouth:
Plans have been underway for a new stadium on land behind the fox that Illitch owns (all the parking lots) for a while now. The sticking point is that he wants the city to pay for a lot of it (he put up most of the money for Comerica). Obviously detroit told him to get lost, so he keeps threathning to move the team to the Palace.

2. Since he and Bill Davidson (owner of the pistons) hated each other, that was always a hollow threat, but now that he is dead, and the widow desperately wants to sell the team and assets, there is some more validity (and the palace is already set up for hockey).

3. The rumor with the most legs is that Illitch is going to buy the assets of the Palace (the arena and the other concert venues) off the widow and help either finance or make the sale of the pistons happen. (favorite rumor - dan gilbert sells his interest in the cavs and buys the pistons). The new owner would then be obligated to partner with the wings on a new stadium downtown (this would be a win win for everyone - more on the palace later). This is somewhat underway now with Illitch hiring Tom Wilson who was the PSE VP.

4. I dont think they will move to the Palace this year, its probably not worth it. They are already selling 2010-2011 season tickets and the big issue with the palace is how far away it is from everything. God bless Davidson, but he built that thing somewhere it was only convenient to him. That said, it will be interesting if they do move up there to test the luxury box game (with the Northern Oakland County money). but at the same time it would seriously alienate the core red wings audience (downriver, macomb, windsor) that wont make the drive (trust me its a hike).

5. As for the stadium being sold out, yes, its a function of the economy. like I said before, the core red wings fans (partially because of the location of the Joe) are blue collar down river, etc... and the hardest hit by the recession. I have been going to games since the mid 80's (I am 30) so I dont think its fair to characterize detroit as fair weather. That said, dont forget the other half of the population is African American and they are not the biggest hockey fans (see the pistons)

1. That and he can't not buy ALL the property he needs. With the city backing him on the stadium itself, he doesn't want to fork over the cash for the properties. I know the family that owns the lots he wants to purchase. They can not agree on a price. The parking lots he ultimately wants to buy are complete cash cows to the family and Illitch is offering a laughable amount.

2-4. I think the rumor about the Palace is the only logical place to go, if a new stadium isn't built in Detroit, but it wouldn't be ideal. The Davidsons want out of the Pistons in a bad way, so selling off the assets isn't out of the question. You would alienate the core group by moving to the Palace, but I think it would only disrupt the downriver crowd. Even that though, I think the people will still come. the majority of the macomb county crowd can easily get to the palace, so that wouldn't be a big issue. It may also open up the oakland crowd more, which to be honest, is the crowd the wings would want if they moved to the palace. more money to buy season tickets, suites, etc, but the palace isn't really ideal for either team. A stadium to house both in the city would be the best case scenario, but doubt it happens unless illitch buys the pistons (not gonna happen) and the city forks over more cash (definitely not going to happen).
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Wow, goddamn wings... Guy in my pool has, like, 8 wings on there. Got 11 points in one night.
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Shit that game was nuts, almost flew out of my chair when Gagne got the game winner.
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Fucking Canucks can;t play rough for shit fuckers,......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQYtljrFQiU

Balls of Steel
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Originally Posted by sonick View Post
Fucking Canucks can;t play rough for shit fuckers,......
As much as I'm a native Canucks fan, it's better that they lost so horribly in this series. Gives them a wake-up call instead. Can you imagine if they went to game 7? Management and fans' expectations would be overrated for another year or so. Just look at what happened in Calgary and Toronto. In Calgary, they make the finals once and treat Sutter like a god even though he's been ruining the team since. In Toronto, they used to just barely make the playoffs every year, which led to only minor tweaks with the mentality that this is "the year". At least Chicago won't be as strong next year. Half their team is composed of upcoming free agents. It does have me thinking though --- maybe in the new NHL, the key to success is shitting the bed for a few years, get high draft picks signed for cheap (CHI, PIT, WAS, I'm looking at you), and ride a hot goalie?
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Originally Posted by intent View Post
At least Chicago won't be as strong next year. Half their team is composed of upcoming free agents. It does have me thinking though --- maybe in the new NHL, the key to success is shitting the bed for a few years, get high draft picks signed for cheap (CHI, PIT, WAS, I'm looking at you), and ride a hot goalie?

I have pondered this as well ... but the Detroit example makes me start to think otherwise. They're out this year, yeah, but they still have FAR more hardware to show off than WAS, PIT, and CHI
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Another game 7 tonight - I love it! No matter what happens tonight, this has been the most exciting playoff year for the Canadiens since they won the cup in '93. A BOS-MTL conference final would be awesome but let's take care of the Pens first.

Go Habs Go!!
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post
I have pondered this as well ... but the Detroit example makes me start to think otherwise. They're out this year, yeah, but they still have FAR more hardware to show off than WAS, PIT, and CHI
Different era, and you'll see after this year that their talent is aging. They were stacked enough that they could take the time to properly develop their prospects, which helped a lot during the dead puck era when young prodigies could not take advantage of their pure speed and run on pure talent alone.
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Originally Posted by EL72 View Post
Another game 7 tonight - I love it! No matter what happens tonight, this has been the most exciting playoff year for the Canadiens since they won the cup in '93. A BOS-MTL conference final would be awesome but let's take care of the Pens first.

Go Habs Go!!

4-0. Major props so far.
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