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post #106 of 246
7/20/11 at 3:53am
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Originally Posted by quar View Post

PG, are you suggesting that your HK Broski's at The Armoury do not believe in WW Chan? I would have thought otherwise, but correct me if I'm wrong.

If Chan visited Melbourne, you could be damn sure I would be a WWC customer every day of the week. Why? Well, because I think what they have done for me fits well (and could be improved with further commissions). Their finish is significantly better. And WWC coats can be made much lighter and softer (if that's what you want in a coat). And I can't get over the way the skinnier PJ notch lapel looks. It looks feminine to me. But that's purely a matter of taste.

Having said that, I've bought 6 shirts, 3 pairs of trousers and a dinner suit from PJ in the last few months, because their product is satisfactory to me, and importantly, they are accessible. The PJ shirts really are made quite well. All things said, the WWC versus PJ debate really has limited real world relevance, because few of us have the opportunity to order from WWC.
- I did not say Armoury Team.
- as discussed many times, Chan does not fit me & others I know IRL. Chan is still doing well, especially with the American market.
- though they are now averaging 4 months for delivery
Edited by Phat Guido - 7/20/11 at 4:05am
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post #107 of 246
7/20/11 at 4:14am
This afternoon on my flight back from Sydney (sporting my newly acquired PJ suit) I noticed the gentleman next to me was reading The Australian and somewhere near the business section a small article on Patrick caught my eye - didn't get to read it but might try to dig up a copy around the office tomorrow.
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post #108 of 246
7/20/11 at 4:23am
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Originally Posted by CHECKstar View Post

This afternoon on my flight back from Sydney (sporting my newly acquired PJ suit) I noticed the gentleman next to me was reading The Australian and somewhere near the business section a small article on Patrick caught my eye - didn't get to read it but might try to dig up a copy around the office tomorrow.

Will save you the trouble.
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post #109 of 246
7/20/11 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

....IMO it's better than the Chans for sure, the shoulders were a bit off on those - can't quite put my finger why but that is my impression. Chans were also probably a lot more expensive....
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Originally Posted by Phat Guido View Post

...- Actually no, this is better than Chan could ever do for me. Each suit took on average 5 fittings, 2 of the suits they started again & after 5 suits I gave up. Compared to PJ where it is almost choose cloth & order. ....

Although I like PG's Chan stuff, I was actually not referring to Chan, but to his stuff from his mystery (HK?) tailor. If I recall correctly, I liked the configurations and balance on those commissions better. Granted, this is in part driven by:
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Originally Posted by quar View Post

...... And I can't get over the way the skinnier PJ notch lapel looks. .... But that's purely a matter of taste....

Just not a fan.
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post #110 of 246
7/20/11 at 3:06pm
PG: isn't this from your mystery tailor?

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post #111 of 246
7/20/11 at 3:50pm
Pretty sure that is OTR Herringbone, as I have the same suit.
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post #112 of 246
7/20/11 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by Lonneker View Post

PG: isn't this from your mystery tailor?
- OTR HB
- FYI the lapel width is the same between the HB & PJ suits. Talking about lapel width, this has become a SF meme over the last 12 months & what one needs to factor in is the over all balance
- what is hard to gauge is real world fit & movement which 2D photography cannot capture. Also good photography can make anything look good biggrin.gif
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post #113 of 246
7/20/11 at 5:03pm
GW, the overall balance looks wrong to me (in terms of the width of your shoulders and chest, and the width of the lapel). But that's me. If you like the lapel width, then that's awesome. Neither one of us will ever win that argument.

Your PJ gear looks good. It fits you well. They make an excellent quality product at a very reasonable price. I will remain their customer so long as they continue to offer a good value product.
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post #114 of 246
7/20/11 at 6:43pm
Hmm I'm with PG on this one, not sure anyone would consider these lapels thin, they look pretty standard and as he pointed out, same width as H/bone which I often wear and am wearing today, I've never considered them thin but also am on the taller and leaner side than PG. I'd say the pinstripe is the best fitting so far, looks like a smidge extra waist suppression on this vs the old ones, which works well without looking tight.
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post #115 of 246
7/21/11 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by Phat Guido View Post

....what one needs to factor in is the over all balance
- what is hard to gauge is real world fit & movement which 2D photography cannot capture. Also good photography can make anything look good biggrin.gif

Couldn't agree more with you on these two points (and for the record, you do a pretty fine job on the second point). Most important is that you are happy with them of course, both with the product and relationship. It's just that I was a bit more enamored by these:

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Just saying.
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post #116 of 246
7/22/11 at 5:15am
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Couldn't agree more with you on these two points (and for the record, you do a pretty fine job on the second point). Most important is that you are happy with them of course, both with the product and relationship. It's just that I was a bit more enamored by these:
Just saying.
- I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder as the top grey suit is a 7/10 in my book as the fit/balance was still way off & there was only so much one can alter.
- The tan suit is an OTR RL & is 1" too long on the body, the pocket & buttoning os also off as this was a 38R when I am usually 38S or 36R. The arm holes are also quite low as well as the vents.
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post #117 of 246
7/22/11 at 5:17am
The latest P Johnson in Loro Piana wool/cash gun check - same block as the chalk stripe, the only difference is the pocket choices
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post #118 of 246
7/22/11 at 6:06am
Guido, something looks a little off with the Chan. You are right, the PJ looks better. I don't like the roped shoulders at all on the Chan. Are the shoulders padded in your Chan coats?

That OTR RL looks awesome though. It's funny how everyone has a different idea of the perfect aesthetic.
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post #119 of 246
7/22/11 at 6:08am
The shot of the Chan is from a lower angle though, which may be changing the overall appearance. The wider lapel on the Chan looks nice. The quarters on the Chan are too aggressively cut-away I think.
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post #120 of 246
7/22/11 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by Phat Guido View Post

The latest P Johnson in Loro Piana wool/cash gun check - same block as the chalk stripe, the only difference is the pocket choices
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such a nice suit ...congrats..pity about the SF approved tie....
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