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post #31 of 124
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Originally Posted by ralphwho View Post
While I will readily admit I have no direct experience regarding Cordings I feel that one can safely assume that any shop selling traditional English country attire in Piccadilly is there to rip off tourists using the old England image.

I would be surprised to find any country gents there- so yes by all means go there if u have the money, are in a hurry, and want the fake Englishness

Things get more complicated when you think that maybe this is really what is left of the English brand, i.e, as if all pizza restaurants in Italy were Pizza Express- and so it is not fake at all since it does not exist anymore except for the tourists sake. Like the Monarchy

Ralphwho,

Yours seems a singularly ill-informed comment.

Cordings have been at the same address since 1877; it is therefore a stretch to paint them with the same brush as the T-shirt stands at the Piccadilly Circle end of the street.

One does find "country gents" in Mayfair and some of the "city gents" there do engage in country sports.

I have always found Cordings to offer good value. I have no interest whatever in the business.

Frog in suit
post #32 of 124
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Originally Posted by Patrick.D View Post
I would love to hear a reccomendation for, or comparison made between the quality of Bruar, Glengarnock, Cordings as I am looking for a suitable heavy weight pair of English Country corduroys for Fall to pair with the C&J Snowdon.

Don't know on difference in quality, but Bruar's corduroy trousers are made in Spain, whilst Cordings' ones are English-made. This might explain the difference in price.

Andrey
post #33 of 124
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Originally Posted by Frog in Suit View Post
Ralphwho,

Yours seems a singularly ill-informed comment.

Cordings have been at the same address since 1877; it is therefore a stretch to paint them with the same brush as the T-shirt stands at the Piccadilly Circle end of the street.

One does find "country gents" in Mayfair and some of the "city gents" there do engage in country sports.

I have always found Cordings to offer good value. I have no interest whatever in the business.

Frog in suit

So you believe that having a shop in Piccadilly in 1877 is the same as having a shop in Piccadilly in 2010?

Clearly the customers are totally different. How many Chinese did you get coming over to Cordingans in the 19th century?

Obviously the business models are totally different so it is totally irrelevant that there has been a shop by that name in that place for that time. They might have just opened 20 years ago.

When brands say since 1xxx it is total BS since we all know that in-between 1xxx and 2010 god knows what happened to the quality levels, type of clientèle, type of owners, product quality, etc, etc

In this day and age no country gent needs to travel to Piccadilly to get his attire. On the other hand, Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish , etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers given that they account for the vast majority of passers by with a wish to buy a bit of old Britannia.

This cannot be denied

So if your typical customer is a guy who shows up from "outer space" once in a lifetime, what do you do? Invest in quality?- I don't think so

On the other hand maybe the current owners have just decided that they will sacrifice profit for the sake of delivering a genuine product- who knows? the world is full of romantics

Do I think so? NOT!!!
post #34 of 124
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Originally Posted by ralphwho View Post
So you believe that having a shop in Piccadilly in 1877 is the same as having a shop in Piccadilly in 2010?

Clearly the customers are totally different. How many Chinese did you get coming over to Cordingans in the 19th century?

Obviously the business models are totally different so it is totally irrelevant that there has been a shop by that name in that place for that time. They might have just opened 20 years ago.

When brands say since 1xxx it is total BS since we all know that in-between 1xxx and 2010 god knows what happened to the quality levels, type of clientèle, type of owners, product quality, etc, etc

In this day and age no country gent needs to travel to Piccadilly to get his attire. On the other hand, Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish , etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers given that they account for the vast majority of passers by with a wish to buy a bit of old Britannia.

This cannot be denied

So if your typical customer is a guy who shows up from "outer space" once in a lifetime, what do you do? Invest in quality?- I don't think so

On the other hand maybe the current owners have just decided that they will sacrifice profit for the sake of delivering a genuine product- who knows? the world is full of romantics

Do I think so? NOT!!!

I was in the shop, with my wife and one of our sons, last Wednesday. Apart from us, the only other customers were decently dressed English men, apparently in their thirties or forties. This reflects my previous visits to the shop. Perhaps you would care to share with the rest of us the exclusive data on which you base your assertion that "Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish, etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers".

I cannot vouch for the quality of the goods a shopper would have purchased at Cordings in 1877; I was not there (but neither were you). I have been shopping at Cordings since the mid-eighties; the quality since then has seemed good and pretty constant.

You seem to have decided that the only strategy for a shop of this kind is to cheapen the quality and hope to snare uninformed passing tourists, at the risk of chasing away their traditional customers. That seems to me a certain recipe for failure. I hope Cordings, and other shops of their kind, will eschew your recommendations. You, on the other hand, might wisely decide not to pursue a career as a retail consultant.

Frog in Suit
post #35 of 124
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Originally Posted by ralphwho View Post
So you believe that having a shop in Piccadilly in 1877 is the same as having a shop in Piccadilly in 2010? Clearly the customers are totally different. How many Chinese did you get coming over to Cordingans in the 19th century? Obviously the business models are totally different so it is totally irrelevant that there has been a shop by that name in that place for that time. They might have just opened 20 years ago. When brands say since 1xxx it is total BS since we all know that in-between 1xxx and 2010 god knows what happened to the quality levels, type of clientèle, type of owners, product quality, etc, etc In this day and age no country gent needs to travel to Piccadilly to get his attire. On the other hand, Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish , etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers given that they account for the vast majority of passers by with a wish to buy a bit of old Britannia. This cannot be denied So if your typical customer is a guy who shows up from "outer space" once in a lifetime, what do you do? Invest in quality?- I don't think so On the other hand maybe the current owners have just decided that they will sacrifice profit for the sake of delivering a genuine product- who knows? the world is full of romantics Do I think so? NOT!!!
Firstly, it would be wise to have some experience with Cordings before you begin spouting such nonsense. Secondly, I go to Cordings quite regularly, and I have only ever seen one touristic family in there and they were German. Most of the time it is English people, who rush in and rush out ordering specific things because they are familiar with the brand, ie 'I'll take those claret trousers in a 32, I'm in a rush'. The clothes they offer, apart from their business suits and coats, simply do only cater for the country set. They are not very adaptable, meaning that they have little to no touristic value. If you also knew London, you'd know that it is situated on a part of Piccadilly which is quite drab, meaning that not many people do 'pass by', considering all that is close are a few coffee shops and outdoor clothing shops. Most tourists are either half a mile up the road at the Burlington Arcade, or north on Regent street. For your information, the current owner is Eric Clapton, who bought the business because he liked it so much and it was in danger of collapse. If it was owned by a fashion house, maybe you could be right. Unfortunately, you're not. As for your other comments regarding things such as the Monarchy only existing for tourist's sake, then I can at best respond that you're a bloody idiot.
post #36 of 124
^ Hear, hear!
post #37 of 124
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Originally Posted by ralphwho View Post

Do I think so? NOT!!!

Goodness, I normally require actually holding an item of clothing, and usually wearing it, in order to judge the quality a firm's offerings. You sir, have a gift.

Also, I did not know it was owned by the Clap, this changes my attitude towards shopping there.
post #38 of 124
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Originally Posted by ralphwho View Post
While I will readily admit I have no direct experience regarding Cordings I feel that one can safely assume that any shop selling traditional English country attire in Piccadilly is there to rip off tourists using the old England image.


Cordings for tourists? You are quite imaginative indeed.
post #39 of 124
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Originally Posted by kolecho View Post
Cordings for tourists? You are quite imaginative indeed.
Well, it does attrace the Well-Healed Anglophile ... a rare and glorious species.

I note that this species is not evident in my avatar du jour (ou semaine, ou mois).
post #40 of 124
To use the word du jour: looks crispy.
post #41 of 124
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post
Firstly, it would be wise to have some experience with Cordings before you begin spouting such nonsense.

Secondly, I go to Cordings quite regularly, and I have only ever seen one touristic family in there and they were German. Most of the time it is English people, who rush in and rush out ordering specific things because they are familiar with the brand, ie 'I'll take those claret trousers in a 32, I'm in a rush'. The clothes they offer, apart from their business suits and coats, simply do only cater for the country set. They are not very adaptable, meaning that they have little to no touristic value. If you also knew London, you'd know that it is situated on a part of Piccadilly which is quite drab, meaning that not many people do 'pass by', considering all that is close are a few coffee shops and outdoor clothing shops. Most tourists are either half a mile up the road at the Burlington Arcade, or north on Regent street.

For your information, the current owner is Eric Clapton, who bought the business because he liked it so much and it was in danger of collapse. If it was owned by a fashion house, maybe you could be right. Unfortunately, you're not.

As for your other comments regarding things such as the Monarchy only existing for tourist's sake, then I can at best respond that you're a bloody idiot.


Many issues here

1- Eric Clapton owns it so it must be genuine

I fail to see the correlation. Would Phil Collins be good enough, Brian Ferry?

2- It is too hidden away to be a tourist magnet

Well it is less than 300 m from Piccadilly Circus tube station (London's Times Square) where tourists are at the highest concentration in the whole of London; and between Piccadilly and Jermyn street

I will pop by in a couple of weeks and do some counting

3-Monarchy and tourism

You must know that when discussions about value for money vs the royal family reason d'etre come up there is always the idiot that comes up with the: they pay for themselves via the number of tourists that come over because them.


4-Typical customer is an english person who says e.g "'ll take those claret trousers in a 32, I'm in a rush'.

This is clearly false. How many english people that wear cordings have a 32 waist? I am sure they don't even bother making them in that size.


Now if you stated- a chinese tourist says: 'll take those claret trousers in a 32, I'm in a rush'.
- I can believe that both on the size, colour and the rush parts.

Anyway country gent clothing are mostly for Tory, Daily Telegraph-reading evil old people. So I hope the Chinese buy them out
post #42 of 124
Or a Chinese. Same thing really. I suspect you've got an Asian troll on the line, yet again.

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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post
As for your other comments regarding things such as the Monarchy only existing for tourist's sake, then I can at best respond that you're a bloody idiot.
post #43 of 124
Nominating ralphwho for moran n00b of the month, Nov 2010 edition.

You heard it first here.
post #44 of 124
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Nominating ralphwho for moran n00b of the month, Nov 2010 edition.

You heard it first here.

post #45 of 124
Sigh.
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