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post #16 of 54
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post
the ones for sale here are orange sock, and santoni had the limited edition cases as of 5+ years ago - if you do a search on SF, you see the ltd edition inside


http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=102245

You cannot see the footpad clearly in any of the 3 pairs shown here. Only the pair on the right clearly has the newer "limited Edition" stamped footpad.
post #17 of 54
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post
and regarding the welt, other non-limited edition fatte a mano santonis are made with norvegese as shown here:
http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=218329

so norvegese welt alone does not mean much.

I have these same exact shoes advertised in this link. Model #3612. Purchased between 2001 and 2005 (not sure of the exact date). In fact, the seller you show in the link sold me the matching black pair of those shells. I gave them to my father as a gift. Seller informed me he bought them some time back from the Nordstrom discount store, as the slightly square-toed Norvegese models did not sell very well at Nordstrom. Time from Nordstrom's NY store to their discount store can take quite a lot of time, then they stay there until sold. This said, the shoes in this ad ARE an older model.
post #18 of 54
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post
This is an example of the limited edition sole:


Yes, this is the sole of the more recent limited edition models.
post #19 of 54
^^ very nice!
post #20 of 54
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Originally Posted by isshinryu101 View Post
Not to be a wise-ass, but that thread is from 2009, not 2004.

sorry, wrong link

meant this one: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=4815

also, the monk black ones shown in the photo above say limited edition santoni for Alfred dunhill (I know you cant see the entire thing in the above photo quite well, but that's what it says)
post #21 of 54
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post
sorry, wrong link

meant this one: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=4815

I just read this link. It speaks of "orange sock" Limited Editions & says many of them are "blake lasted".

I can't speak to the experiences of this poster. Maybe this is an earlier or different incarnation of Santoni "Limited Edition" shoes. The Santoni Limited Editions of today, and the ones That were their predecessors were NEVER orange socked & NEVER blake rapid constructed. BEFORE they came out with THIS recent Ltd Edition package (with the crazy box, etc) & new stamped footpad,
They were:

1) tan socked with serrated edges

&

2) either Norvegese or Bentivegna constructed.

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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post
also, the monk black ones shown in the photo above say limited edition santoni for Alfred dunhill (I know you cant see the entire thing in the above photo quite well, but that's what it says)

I just posted this. See my above posts. This is the only pair of those 3 that have the most recent footpad that says "limited Edition". Before that there was no such designation.


Hey, I'm no shoe expert. MANY of the regulars on this site know a LOT more about fine shoes than I do. I will not pretend to know anything about Lobbs, EG's and the like. I do not currently own any of them or make them a part of my shoe collection (although I have handled a few).

HOWEVER, I do know a little about Santoni Limited Editions. I currently own 9 (I think) pairs from various time periods. Some of what I write was explained to me when I bought the shoes, some comes from conversations with other fans of these shoes, and some comes from my personal experiences.

Sadly, there is VERY little good information on past SF threads about these shoes, as they never reached the popularity of John Lobb, EG & some other brands and models (where there is TONS of info about construction, lasts, fit, prices, etc). It's impossible to really learn anything about Santoni Ltd Editions by only reading SF threads. You need to actually buy the shoes & handle them.
post #22 of 54
First , I usually don't get into these SF debates. 2nd these are outstanding shoes and debate is good for seller and eventually for buyer. Also, IMO Dunhill Santoni are the best Santoni's in quality, outside Santoni stores in Italy, Dunhil is the only one I have seen in Cordovan. I have the exact same shoe in black Cordovan,( http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=81469 ) unfortunately I have never worn them, because I never wear black, only to Formal Tux events, Funerals,, and Weddings, they are not the right shoe for those events . I had the same shoe in leather, not Cordovan (http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=113853 )
I tried to sell on SF eventually gave away rather than sell for low amount. I have 5 current Santoni's in my rotation. I have purchased 15+ Santoni's in NYC , St Barts ( same exact as middle shoe http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=102245 ), London , France, Milan ( Santoni owned store) , Rome (Santoni owned store), Capri, Germany, Moscow, Hong Kong. Only Place I have seen limited edtion are in NYC, it is a marketing designation not a quality designation. Same exact shoe in was Milan FAM 1050 USD, Santoni NYC LE 2200.00. I have been told a retailer in Germany has LE and possibly HK. This is all first hand experience , purchased and worn , not someone else's opinion. Someone buy these, they are outstanding, better than any LE I have seen.
post #23 of 54
For reference, here are 2 pairs of older Santoni Ltd Edition models. DEFINITELY Ltd Edition. 1) serrated Tan sock + Norvegese or Bentivegna construction. 1) Bentivegna Wholecut in antique brown: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread...02#post4020702 2) Norvegese Wholecut in antique tan: http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_8458.jpg http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_8457.jpg PS: the futon they're on is "Limited Edition" as well!!! PPS: OH, and sorry for hijacking this thread to "debate". My point of all this is that these shoes are INCREDIBLE!!! Santoni's "Top Line" (let's just call it that) is truly at the top of the RTW shoes you can buy anywhere. For around $600 USD, these are a FREAKING STEAL!!!!
post #24 of 54
When the Santoni in NYC was still open I had poped in and looked at Limited Edition quite a few times (as well as try to buy them at their annual sale). I am not sure if they always had that ridiculous box package, especially when they were on sale.
post #25 of 54
anyone have input on these shoes? are they a good deal? any hesitation buying these shoes?
post #26 of 54
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Originally Posted by Azul View Post
anyone have input on these shoes? are they a good deal? any hesitation buying these shoes?

see my posts above. EXCELLENT shoes!
post #27 of 54
These are gorgeous shoes. They were exactly what I needed. I thought they were my exactly size, 8UK F, but the length and other people's statements that they run large has dashed those dreams.
post #28 of 54
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Originally Posted by sartorialini View Post
the socks are not shown. So the issue of orange vs tan is not addressed.
On the other it is clear that the current LEs are not exclusively Bentivegna or Norvegese.

While I would agree that they are too expensive they are certainly great shoes, and in my opinion much more interesting shoes than the CJs, EGs, JLBs that are so much discussed in this forum, and once you have handled a Norvegese, and then look at an EG, well...

true the italian word of shoes is more complex than the UK's but if anything that would be reason for more discussion. It is interesting that see the huge amount of expensive italian shoes on sale on ebay.com (US) does not correlate with the amount of discussion on italian shoes in SF.com

I can only assume the forum is dominated by anglophiles, if not culturally at least commercially

In my opinion Italian shoes are a little like italian cuisine- regional variations have been preserved- while UK shoes all come out of northamptom and reflect the massified/industrial revolution aspect of british life. Hence the fact that all those brands basically use the same models for decades with a few small concessions for trends.

You feel safe as there are no surprises, like going to a starbucks but believe me coffee in a small town of italy is 10 times better than in any starbucks

that sounds interesting and convincible.
post #29 of 54
Santoni LE used to be all the rage on SF 3 years ago they just have been falling out of favor lately..., it's all English shoe maker and Vass these days...
post #30 of 54
reasons why santoni shoes are not more popular on SF and elsewhere: 1. santoni abandoned the american shoe market and are not in major retailers in the US. 2. their lasts and fittings are so unpredictable, it is nearly impossible to buy their shoes online. 3. furthermore the outside measurements do not correspond to fit at all. 4. additionally, they have way too many styles for any one style to grab hold and popularity 5. the "sock" liner method of establishing quality-level within their shoe scheme is worthless at best (just as is the type of stitching / welting as mentioned above) 6. Santoni's are a total crapshoot quality-wise and fit wise and are best tried on in person and evaluated that way.
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