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post #46 of 58
Most men who buy expensive clothes buy them for the reason most men buy clothes. The expensive clothing consumers just want to fit in with more expensive people.

Also, as noted above, true style cannot be bought. For a lesson in this, check out the Sartorialist's shop windows now on view at Saks Fifth Avenue, in which the differences between Sarto's stylish subjects and Saks' stylists' near-misses are poignant.

I think many men are like my dad, who shopped semi-annually at a great store, where the very stylish manager put together wonderful suit, shirt and tie combos, that my father scribbled on a note card. Without the card, or especially if one never took notes, it's very hard.
post #47 of 58
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Originally Posted by Dragon
If you don`t have style it helps a little if wear expensive clothes. If you have style, it helps a lot if you wear expensive clothes.

I agree with this. I feel that you need to know what effect you wish to achieve for expensive high quality items to make the maximum difference.
post #48 of 58
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Keep in mind that clothing, like pretty much everything else I can think of (i.e. watches, cars) is abounded by the law of diminish return. Example: a $5000 Rolex is not going to be twice as good as a $2500 Omega watch, a $120,000 MB S600 will not be twice as good as a $60,000 Lexus LS 430 or 6 times better than a Honda Accord.

This is true sometimes but not always. In high end audio, doubling the price of a stereo can be twice as sonically better. A $5K Rolex may hold its value better than an Omega or other brand and thus be a better investment over the long haul. It depends on many factors. I do believe a $60K Lexus is 3X better than a Honda Accord (they really sell at $20-25+ by the way) having owned both brands. The Accord is a terrific car (I had a 1991) but you get a boat load more in features, quality, durability and service with a Lexus.
post #49 of 58
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Also, as noted above, true style cannot be bought.

Very true but it can be learned and in my experience when you have knowledge about clothes you will see the value in some of the more expensive items.
post #50 of 58
We're looking for quality but we always want to belong to something ,to live a dream,to project a certain sense of self-being to others ,to ourselves...
Wen i'm buying a pair of John Lobb , i'm buying a bit of history and also a certain sense of being different ....
Am i victim of some mirage? The answer is yes but that mirage is fedding others very positive stimuli in my life ,like the need to work hard ,to get better ,to reach certain standards...
Nobody really needs a £60000 car or a £695 pair of shoes, the same way that nobody needs to splash a few thousands pounds on a beach trip but that is the essence of human nature....The need to dream to continue to move forward....
I also have changed .....I used to buy certain things to boost my self-esteem ,going for more obvious labels,now i'm doing it for myself ...
post #51 of 58
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Originally Posted by Ivan Kipling
I've heard costume designers say, that if a man has a fit body, is on the tall and slender side, and under forty . . . a three hundred dollar suit, will 'show' at least like one worth, a thousand dollars.../QUOTE]

And a good bespoke suit will look like the couple thousand dollars it probably cost.

I hope so as I just scheduled an appointment with Thomas Mahon.
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by mrri77
My basic question is if all these expensive, highly marketed clothes can truly improve the average man's appearance in relation to their cost? I have encountered several men recently dressed in all the ubiquitous luxury brands (kiton, borrelli, zegna, oxxford, etc.), and the majority of them, while sartorially impeccable, were still very underwhelming visually. On paper, these outfits should have been sartorial homeruns, but they adapted to the ordinariness of their wearers. All of the well known top brands seem to engage nowadays in the heavy, intense advertising that the board members here deride and decry. The majority of the price of their products nowadays is marketing and profit margins and the exclusivity factor is constantly diminishing. Sure, I understand the free market capitalism aspect, and if kiton can easily get 5-10k per suit, then why not! But are we deluding ourselves that these stratospheric prices derive from handwork and manual/artisanal labor costs rather than marketing expenses, opulent real estate in the most expensive cities, and huge profit margins like all other luxury goods manufacturers? Is the contribution these clothes make to an attractive appearance on the average looking man really validated in the majority of cases? I am curious to hear other's opinions.


My clothing purchase focus on quality and quality alone. In life, you get what you pay for ... Now, one is limited by his or her means, but certainly, the proposition gargage in and garbage out, allow applies to appearance.
post #53 of 58
The simple answer (and the flawed premise of the question) is 'no,' expensive clothes are not -- and never have been "necessary." But nor are large/gigantic houses or highly designed/fast cars. These are all luxury categories that people who are inclined to express themselves differently find useful for that purpose. Obviously, such luxuries represent an expenditure above what everyone can afford, and in that respect are entirely discretionary, according to one's preferences and means.

So, no, they're not necessary, and never have been. The better question is whether people who choose to spend more to buy and wear luxury clothing feel that they get their money's worth and, if so, why and from which labels
/houses? Which is one of the things I come to this forum to learn.
post #54 of 58
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Originally Posted by LabelKing
Armani, Gucci, and Prada does not make stuff for "skinny guys" since their smallest sizes tend to be something like a 38 or the rare 36.

You're wrong here. I know for a fact that Prada makes down to at least a 34 (well, 44 Eu).
post #55 of 58
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Originally Posted by LA Guy
You're wrong here. I know for a fact that Prada makes down to at least a 34 (well, 44 Eu).
Yes, but they're rarely in the stores in America.

YSL only recently began making 34 sized jackets, etc. in more quantities.
post #56 of 58
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The better question is whether people who choose to spend more to buy and wear luxury clothing feel that they get their money's worth and, if so, why and from which labels

That's a good question Ron. I would say I've gotten good value from Kiton, Brioni, Borrelli, J Crew, Edward Green, New Balance, Marcoliani, Pantherella, Incotex, Zanella, Land's End, Amesbury, Lattanzi, Massimo Bizzocchi, just to name the first ones that come to mind. There seems to be some very spendy brands that still deliver a lot of satisfaction and some value brands that deliver more than I expected.
post #57 of 58
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan
This is true sometimes but not always. In high end audio, doubling the price of a stereo can be twice as sonically better.

Well, that depends. If the difference comes in better speakers, electronic room correction, and acoustical room treatments (and tt/cartridge if one's listening to vinyl), it can be more than twice as good. If the difference is squandered on expensive digital media players, switchers, amps, designer copper pipes, or other such nothings, it will not be 0.00001% better.

As for the title question about whether or not expensive clothing is "necessary," that's just a stupid question.
post #58 of 58
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses. Perhaps my question was not worded entirely correct. Obviously, expensive clothes are not necessay, nor any other luxury items. What I meant to more accurately imply was as to whether expensive clothes were really necessary to look good. Thankfully, this question was also extensively discussed and answered. In my judgement, I have seen more people who purchase the top tier of clothing who do not appear attractive and stylish than the opposite. I agree that people with style and natural good looks are significantly improved by high quality clothing, but then again, these are the people who need it the least.
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