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post #16 of 41
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
I will not dignify that with an answer. Apple's marketing strategy has obviously already won.
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Come one, we want an answer! again
post #17 of 41
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Originally Posted by skalogre
' Come one, we want an answer! again
post #18 of 41


Fine, I cede.
post #19 of 41
Ok, perhaps I was a little blunt. Every new ipod since the first release in 2001, has new features that other players don't offer. In terms of innovation, I think most people would admit that apple does a great job. Not only, that but there never seems to be any initial glitches with the products. Everything they release works. That is no small accomplishment. iPods are pricier than other players, but when you have a cult like following and a good reputation, you can charge premium prices. So, with that said, why do you not like iPods?
post #20 of 41
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Originally Posted by Stazy
Ok, perhaps I was a little blunt. Every new ipod since the first release in 2001, has new features that other players don't offer. In terms of innovation, I think most people would admit that apple does a great job. Not only, that but there never seems to be any initial glitches with the products. Everything they release works. That is no small accomplishment. iPods are pricier than other players, but when you have a cult like following and a good reputation, you can charge premium prices. So, with that said, why do you not like iPods?
Name a feature besides iTunes and that isn't purely cosmetic or personal taste based (ie manual operation being done with a circular click wheel instead of a square or rectangular touch pad) that the iPod has that no other player has had before it. I can name several things off the top of my head that iPod DOESN'T have that some other players have, like a removable, exchangable, or standard battery. (yes, I know its POSSIBLE to change the battery in the iPod, but it was never MEANT for you to do so) How about a REAL software EQ, something more than a rudimentary few bands or crappy presets? How about FM recording? (sadly even this is becoming extinct, Creative is quietly dropping support for this due to pressure from the FCC, but as long as you don't update to the newest firmware, which removes the record option, you are still going to be able to do it) How about Stereo recording capabilities? etc. I could go on and on and on and on and on... But if your mind is already made up that you like them, I'm certainly not going to change it.
post #21 of 41
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
Name a feature besides iTunes and that isn't purely cosmetic or personal taste based (ie manual operation being done with a circular click wheel instead of a square or rectangular touch pad) that the iPod has that no other player has had before it. I can name several things off the top of my head that iPod DOESN'T have that some other players have, like a removable, exchangable, or standard battery. (yes, I know its POSSIBLE to change the battery in the iPod, but it was never MEANT for you to do so) How about a REAL software EQ, something more than a rudimentary few bands or crappy presets? How about FM recording? (sadly even this is becoming extinct, Creative is quietly dropping support for this due to pressure from the FCC, but as long as you don't update to the newest firmware, which removes the record option, you are still going to be able to do it) How about Stereo recording capabilities? etc. I could go on and on and on and on and on... But if your mind is already made up that you like them, I'm certainly not going to change it.


More features=better product is a logical fallacy when no one's really interested in said features.
post #22 of 41
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Originally Posted by Babar
More features=better product is a logical fallacy when no one's really interested in said features.
If no one were interested in features like changable batteries and EQ settings, I wouldnt be bitching about it now would I... Just because you are willing to settle for mediocrity with superior marketing doesn't mean that those who don't are WEIRD. How many people actually research what they might want in a music player, listen to a bunch of them to find out which ones sound the best, and then decide? Not many. But that doesn't make them RIGHT. That just makes them the victim of marketing campaigns.
post #23 of 41
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
How many people actually research what they might want in a music player, listen to a bunch of them to find out which ones sound the best, and then decide? Not many. But that doesn't make them RIGHT. That just makes them the victim of marketing campaigns.
Well, most of the stuff you listed definitely caters to the nerdy Hydrogenaudio-esque audience as opposed to the average consumer (and even they are singing their praises for Apple's recent implementation of lossless playback!). If you compare mp3 players just by looking at their spec sheets, you'll get a very wrong impression of which is best in the real world. The iPod is a great device to use because of its impeccable design and simplicity. And design goes beyond pure aesthetics. When you use it, it's easy to see it's an extremely well thought out product. Stereo recording capabilities or not. And Apple didn't really spend tons of marketing on it until well into its life either--in the first few years there was that ad with the dancing Jeff Goldblum--so that point's moot.
post #24 of 41
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Originally Posted by Babar
And Apple didn't really spend tons of marketing on it until well into its life either--in the first few years there was that ad with the dancing Jeff Goldblum--so that point's moot.

I think you underestimate the draw of Jeff Goldblum.
post #25 of 41
I have to agree with Slim. A lot of the draw of the iPod is due to the fact that Apple was the first company to manage to popularise through heavy marketing and full integration with their proprietary software the media player.
The actual features the iPod line has that other players don't have are almost nil. But as you said Babar, the many consumers are not interested in anything more advanced than basically a stripped down player.
I can also tell you that it does not take any sort of human factors genius to make something more usable by minimising the options and feature set of a system. The real challenge comes in actually being able to cater to both inexperienced users and experienced users succesfully. Why do you think Rockbox has been porting their OS to the iPod? And why is there a Linux-based replacement system for it? Lack of features and expandability that is important to many more people than you think.
If I were to get an iPod I would immediastely put Rockbox on it. There is no way I would stick with iTunes and the built-in firmware.
post #26 of 41
I'm liking this DAP, the Meizu Miniplayer



4 gigs, WMV/MP3/OGG/WAV/XviD playback, $169.
post #27 of 41
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Originally Posted by Stax
I'm liking this DAP, the Meizu Miniplayer



4 gigs, WMV/MP3/OGG/WAV/XviD playback, $169.

That looks nice. I wish iRiver would make the Clix with a normal hard disk.
post #28 of 41
coolio
post #29 of 41
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Originally Posted by skalogre
I have to agree with Slim. A lot of the draw of the iPod is due to the fact that Apple was the first company to manage to popularise through heavy marketing and full integration with their proprietary software the media player. The actual features the iPod line has that other players don't have are almost nil. But as you said Babar, the many consumers are not interested in anything more advanced than basically a stripped down player. I can also tell you that it does not take any sort of human factors genius to make something more usable by minimising the options and feature set of a system. The real challenge comes in actually being able to cater to both inexperienced users and experienced users succesfully. Why do you think Rockbox has been porting their OS to the iPod? And why is there a Linux-based replacement system for it? Lack of features and expandability that is important to many more people than you think. If I were to get an iPod I would immediastely put Rockbox on it. There is no way I would stick with iTunes and the built-in firmware.
Holy crap... I'm not alone! But personally I'd never get one. I hate watching people walk around zoned out with the white earbuds in. I feel like I'm trapped in some sort of friggin dystopian nightmare. I'll stick with using my ears to listen for oncoming traffic, and falling pianos and such.
post #30 of 41
Styleforum highlight number 2080: when people let Slim loose in an Apple thread I stumbled across a second hand G4 Cube the other day for $150 - think Ill go snap it up when I get back from Hanoi.
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