I know for a fact. A local retailer of AE ordered some shell for me. They had no experience with it. When I saw the PO, it said $236.50 from AE. Retail is $525. I paid $236.50. There is a reason I have 2 pairs of Leeds in burgundy, 1 macNeil in burgundy, 1 black, 1 Cambridge in burgundy. All of them are shell cordovan. I hooked a couple of people here up too.