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post #31 of 255
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post
This is the point of the Atkins diet. This guy was able to get a book deal making that very same point?

Yeah, anybody who says carbohydrates are making us fat is saying the same thing as anyone else who is advocating that position. If nothing else, it's an interesting history of the prevailing opinions of medical science. For instance, obesity was considered a disorder of excess fat accumulation, and therefore the purview of endocrinologists etc. up until about the 60s, after which it became an eating disorder and psychological in nature (e.g., "people get fat because they don't control how much they eat").
post #32 of 255
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post
Hey do you guys who keep lambasting processed food have any scientific proof that it's the processed food, and not the gluttonous volume of said food, that is what is "killing us"?

A lot of the problem is that many proccessed foods tend to be very calorie dense and aren't very filling, so they are very easy to overconsume. However, that's not to say you can not also get fat eating large amounts of relatively unprocessed foods.
post #33 of 255
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Originally Posted by wEstSidE View Post
cool the kid the argument is that the same amount of processed food is worse (in terms of nutritional value) than the same amount of fresh food. are you saying that's wrong?
One, depending on the food I don't necessarily agree with that either for a myriad of reasons but in any case that's not what I was responding to This is what I was responding to
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Originally Posted by willpower View Post
Don't eat anything that comes out of a box. Other than soup, eat foods found in the periphery of the supermarket - fruits, veggies, meat, some dairy. All that stuff in the middle are the things that make you fat.
The idea that you can't get fat on "natural food" is ridiculous. Enough of anything will make you fat, it's the quantity, not the quality. And in any case again "food in a box" isn't automatically unhealthy if you learn how to read a nutrition label + manage various nutrients...
post #34 of 255
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78 View Post
A lot of the problem is that many proccessed foods tend to be very calorie dense and aren't very filling, so they are very easy to overconsume. However, that's not to say you can not also get fat eating large amounts of relatively unprocessed foods.
The onus is still on the consumer to manage their own daily calorie intake to stay at a healthy weight. Blaming the food is bogus, just cause you bought a box of Ho Hos doesn't mean you have to eat it in one sitting.
post #35 of 255
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post
The onus is still on the consumer to manage their own daily calorie intake to stay at a healthy weight. Blaming the food is bogus, just cause you bought a box of Ho Hos doesn't mean you have to eat it in one sitting.

I wasn't really blaming the food or letting the consumer off the hook. Just explaining the process and why processed foods are usually singled out.

If anything, a consumer who understands why processed foods can be harmful has a greater onus for their obesity put upon themselves.
post #36 of 255
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78 View Post
I wasn't really blaming the food or letting the consumer off the hook. Just explaining the process and why processed foods are usually singled out.

If anything, a consumer who understands why processed foods can be harmful has a greater onus for their obesity put upon themselves.
Definitely.
post #37 of 255
I miss the spicey chicken Crunch Wrap. That is all
post #38 of 255
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78 View Post
I wasn't really blaming the food or letting the consumer off the hook. Just explaining the process and why processed foods are usually singled out.

If anything, a consumer who understands why processed foods can be harmful has a greater onus for their obesity put upon themselves.

This. I dont think anyone was saying that eating a certain type of food will make you fat, more like if you are trying to get or remain slim, eating certain foods (like foods you have to prepare for yourself) will make it easier to manage caloric intake.
post #39 of 255
Alot of the natural food movement is not because eating normal potatoes instead of organic potatoes will make you fat. Its that the pesticides and other stuff you're ingesting with "processed" food is doing harm and causing you to be unhealthy. Add all those pesticides and chemicals you've been eating most of your life with obesity and you're going to have all sorts of illnesses.
post #40 of 255
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Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
Alot of the natural food movement is not because eating normal potatoes instead of organic potatoes will make you fat. Its that the pesticides and other stuff you're ingesting with "processed" food is doing harm and causing you to be unhealthy. Add all those pesticides and chemicals you've been eating most of your life with obesity and you're going to have all sorts of illnesses.
Like I asked before, show proof. "Natural" farming is not sustainable nor is it feasible for feeding everybody. I mean do you grow all the food you eat? If not how do you know that grungy dude from the farmer's market doesn't use pesticides? And there are people out there who have been eating "processed" food who live long healthy lives.
post #41 of 255
Organic foods can still contain pesticides, they're just "organic" pesticides. Jury is still out on whether organic pesticides are better or worse for you than conventional ones...
post #42 of 255
^^ just portraying their side, from what I have gathered. I think our bodies are fucking amazing and can adapt to just about anything we eat. As far as the grungy dude not using pesticides, I haven't read all about how you about getting a nice "certified organic" sticker on your stuff, but I'm sure there is some process behind it. Just to be clear, I'm all for eating healthy, organic, whatever, fruits, veggies, superfoods, etc. because I feel that a lot (if not all) of our diseases stem from nutrient deficiencies and we should be trying to prevent that. I don't believe in all the toxin cleansing hippie shit. Its been proven that your liver handles just about anything you can throw at it. Take a multi-vitamin, B vitamin, C vitamins, and others as you deem necessary every day and eat a sensible diet. Live long and prosper.
post #43 of 255
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78 View Post
Wow, Did I say anything about the validity of the book? I was correcting a mischaracterization someone made.

Please excuse my dickish comment.
post #44 of 255
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Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
Alot of the natural food movement is not because eating normal potatoes instead of organic potatoes will make you fat. Its that the pesticides and other stuff you're ingesting with "processed" food is doing harm and causing you to be unhealthy. Add all those pesticides and chemicals you've been eating most of your life with obesity and you're going to have all sorts of illnesses.

You're confusing processed foods with foods that aren't 'organic.'

The argument from the organic food cultist fuckwits is that organic foods are inherently more healthful than non-organic food, despite most if not all data finding no difference between the two. If youre concerned with pesticides, wash your apples before you eat them.

Processed foods are a different issue. Most of the nutritional value is stripped away during processing (think brown rice vs rice chex cereal). The cereal isn't necessarily 'bad' for you, but it lacks things such as fiber, b vitamins, magnesium, etc that are present in the brown rice. Even when the cereal is enriched (nutrients added back) the nutrients arent necessarily as beneficial as they would have been coming from the brown rice to begin with.
post #45 of 255
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Originally Posted by kwiteaboy View Post
Reading it now. The basic point is that carbohydrates, because they elicit high insulinemic responses, are what make us fat, as insulin triggers your fat tissue to take in more fat. Not everyone who eats lots of carbohydrates gets fat, but for people who do get fat, carbohydrates are the reason. Exercise doesn't make you less fat. That's pretty much the book.

I'm finding it's written with a lot of... literary rage? He definitely has a point he wants to make, but it's worth reading.

I tend to think reading something that's demonstrably wrong isnt 'worth reading' but a 'complete waste of fucking time.'
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