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post #9811 of 19238
Depends on the leather, oak bark gets a nap when worn, whereas other types of outsoles get very slick.
post #9812 of 19238
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Originally Posted by halfnhalfnhalf View Post

Are we almost to that usual point where DW gives up trying to convince people of something and we go back to talking about shoe care?  Just asking.

+1

Can we go back to supposition, speculations, and fairy tales now?

There is no usual point...I've been here (on SF) for a number of years and I've been intimately involved involved with shoemaking--it's techniques, Traditions, materials and even mind-set for more years than a good many here have been alive.

All that time I've been learning and refining...increasing my knowledge and skills--getting better at doing, and seeing, and knowing.

How about yourself?
post #9813 of 19238
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Originally Posted by jungleroller View Post


As much of a pain in the ass as it is, I do wear galoshes in the winter months so I don't ruin the leather from the salt. Added benefit is a bit more traction in the deep stuff. I find that the bottom of a dress shoe without a topy looks like crap. Before topying I would take edge dressing to cover up the sole and make it look a little better.

Leather outsoles get a "patina" on them just like leather uppers do. It's not a "pretty" patina but unless you're fond of the uniform, plastic-y look it's not significantly off-putting...not to shoemakers at any rate.

Faces get wrinkles in them--it's life...is plastic surgery indicated to wipe away or hide all trace of living, experience, wisdom?
post #9814 of 19238

I think a bit of respect is due, here. DWFII is a shoemaker with a huge amount of experience and someone who handcrafts beautiful shoes and boots. .Those facts, alone, make him one of the  true 'experts' on this thread. He is also generous in sharing his knowledge and experience.  DWF doesn't need my support but I thought  some of this needed saying.

post #9815 of 19238
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Depends on the leather, oak bark gets a nap when worn, whereas other types of outsoles get very slick.

 

Gotcha - so a Butyl sole is more water resistant yet still different than Oak Bark.....meaning is Butyl a process which is different than an Oak Bark process?

post #9816 of 19238
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halfnhalfnhalf View Post

Are we almost to that usual point where DW gives up trying to convince people of something and we go back to talking about shoe care?  Just asking.

+1

Can we go back to supposition, speculations, and fairy tales now?

There is no usual point...I've been here (on SF) for a number of years and I've been intimately involved involved with shoemaking--it's techniques, Traditions, materials and even mind-set for more years than a good many here have been alive.

All that time I've been learning and refining...increasing my knowledge and skills--getting better at doing, and seeing, and knowing.

How about yourself?

 

I've read every single post of this thread, and no matter how much I've gleaned from it, I'm quite certain that you have forgotten more about shoes and shoe care than I will ever even know.  I know you are trying to fight the good fight here, but with all due respect I think you are beating a dead horse, and many of the dialogues that have taken place over the course of this thread seem to end with your beating one dead horse or another.  I was just hoping we could move on.  If not, I always have the option of voting with my feet - and in the event I choose to do so, I want to make sure I've first thanked you for being so generous with your knowledge and expertise.

post #9817 of 19238
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Originally Posted by Munky View Post

I think a bit of respect is due, here. DWFII is a shoemaker with a huge amount of experience and someone who handcrafts beautiful shoes and boots. .Those facts, alone, make him one of the  true 'experts' on this thread. He is also generous in sharing his knowledge and experience.  DWF doesn't need my support but I thought  some of this needed saying.

Actually, I appreciate every bit of support I can get. Thank you!
post #9818 of 19238
Topy's are ugly and shameful.

End of story.
post #9819 of 19238
So are crooked embroideries/story
post #9820 of 19238
I challenge you to a dual
post #9821 of 19238
I accept!

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ok I seriously don't give a fuck.
post #9822 of 19238
Just to set the record straight. This is completely inaccurate:

"So the logical conclusion is that in order to benefit from topy you need to replace it immediately the "dimples" wear down--about once a month if you're walking frequently. How cost effective or "convenient" is that?"

From my experience the useful purpose and intent of sole guards outlasts a leather sole (generally) 2 to 1. Sometimes more.
It stands to reason if they if they didn't wear well....1. I would not offer them and, 2. I would get complaints about unacceptable wear.
We do 40 to 60 pair a week. I never heard of such a complaint.
post #9823 of 19238
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Originally Posted by halfnhalfnhalf View Post

I've read every single post of this thread, and no matter how much I've gleaned from it, I'm quite certain that you have forgotten more about shoes and shoe care than I will ever even know.  I know you are trying to fight the good fight here, but with all due respect I think you are beating a dead horse, and many of the dialogues that have taken place over the course of this thread seem to end with your beating one dead horse or another.  I was just hoping we could move on.  If not, I always have the option of voting with my feet - and in the event I choose to do so, I want to make sure I've first thanked you for being so generous with your knowledge and expertise.

I didn't start this line of discussion. I didn't even jump in until it had been going on for some time.

And perhaps somewhat uniquely, I can chew gum and walk at the same time--I have answered several unrelated...unrelated to topy...questions while still taking an interest in the on-going discussion.

I am not patting myself on the back when I say that anyone with a little bit of real, objective knowledge will tend to take the lead and "rise to the top" esp. esp. when speaking with people who are talking out of their backsides (that's a generalized observation, not a personal criticism).

Does it need repeating!? Really?! I don't care if people use topy. I put it on my wife's shoes at her request. Customers as well.

But there is context and there is logic. The reasons people give for using topy are so often illogical and inconsistent with the facts. You want to put topy on your shoes, put it on. There is no such thing as "shoe police" here. But don't come around trying to make the case that it's the answer for tropical climates when you're still wearing open grained leather uppers. Or that it is the "best thing of the age" for traction when there are so many other undeniable facts that give the lie. Don't tell me that leather soles look like crap and then buy shoes with leather soles on them.

And what are we talking about here on SF? $200.00 shoes? There is no way you can ruin a pair of $200.00 shoes whether you put Topy on them or not simply because there is no way to make them worth putting topy on. $200.00 shoes may be the appropriate subject for conversation at the counter of Peggy's Breakfast Nook but why even bother on SF?
post #9824 of 19238
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Originally Posted by Nick V. View Post

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From my experience the useful purpose and intent of sole guards outlasts a leather sole (generally) 2 to 1.

OK...but you're addressing an issue that is totally in your own mind because I didn't say anything about how long Topys last. I said the tread on Topys was only half a millimeter deep and lasts about three months if worn frequently. When the tread is gone much of the traction is gone.

If you don't want to read what I post, don't respond to what I didn't.

And nothing stands to reason when you're doing 40-60 pair a week. Vested interest and all that.
post #9825 of 19238
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

OK...but you're addressing an issue that is totally in your own mind because I didn't say anything about how long Topys last. I said the tread on Topys was only half a millimeter deep and lasts about three months if worn frequently. When the tread is gone much of the traction is gone.

If you don't want to read what I post, don't respond to what I didn't.

And nothing stands to reason when you're doing 40-60 pair a week. Vested interest and all that.

Yes you did. I copied and pasted this comment from you:

"So the logical conclusion is that in order to benefit from topy you need to replace it immediately the "dimples" wear down--about once a month if you're walking frequently. How cost effective or "convenient" is that?"

Maybe YOU should read it.
If it's not a worthy product why do you offer it to your customers?
Vested interest? Just another petty derogatory comment by you.
I'm sure it surprises nobody here.
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