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post #9796 of 11878
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post

You're just getting dogmatic, I can carry umbrella (raincoat would be way too hot in that kind of weather, hated rain coat ever since I was a kid), swim, in my opinion is super ugly, and unpractical. I can live with carry umbrella most of the time when, but swims, definitely not.

The dogmatism is all yours. I just suggested a way you can have a fine leather shoe without compromising it aesthetically or functionally. Just as you adapt and find solutions for all kinds of weather related situations including those I mentioned.

You don't want to hear it...



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Edited by DWFII - 6/24/14 at 7:52pm
post #9797 of 11878
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Originally Posted by Petepan View Post

I am saying that we have cobblers to put on Topy's, but no one skilled enough to do a resoling, hence necessitating sending of shoes halfway round the world for resoling, with attendant costs, risks of loss in transit and delays.

Sooo...let me get this straight...you'd let a bumbling hack who can't even do a simple resoling take a grinder and 40 grit carborundum sandpaper to the bottom of your $1000.00 shoes?



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Edited by DWFII - 6/24/14 at 8:32pm
post #9798 of 11878
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Originally Posted by Petepan View Post

I am saying that we have cobblers to put on Topy's, but no one skilled enough to do a resoling, hence necessitating sending of shoes halfway round the world for resoling, with attendant costs, risks of loss in transit and delays.

I was about to say something rude about your power of comprehension, but I will suggest that you focus on the gist of the message rather than on bits and pieces you are able to refute and ignoring the ones you cant.

Yes, fast food is convenient and has its place, although it should not be taken to excess.  Same principle applies to everything in life, including some of your ridiculous notions foisted onto others without any understanding (nay, even knowledge) of context and circumstances.

I would still like some proof/facts on how Topy's (sole guards) ruin shoes. Agreed, some cobblers botch a job for profit and, some customers are looking to cheap out.
That has nothing to do with the value of them if used for they're intended purpose. Most legit cobblers in you're local can easily handle this. Establish a relationship with him. If he is good, he won't steer you wrong.
post #9799 of 11878
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post


Sooo...let me get this straight...you'd let a bumbling hack who can't even do a simple resoling take a grinder and 40 grit carborundum sandpaper to the bottom of your $1000.00 shoes?



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You and your assumptions.  Who said anything about $1000 shoes?  

 

A further assumption also made on bumbling hack. Putting on a topy aint no rocket science, but a good resoler is hard to find.

 

You may not realise this, so let me give you some advice. Your views are limited by bounded rationality, and the more you allege dogmatism, the more it reflects on you. The classic Man with a Hammer Syndrome. Go read it up.

post #9800 of 11878
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post


The dogmatism is all yours. I just suggested a way you can have a fine leather shoe without compromising it aesthetically or functionally. Just as you adapt and find solutions for all kinds of weather related situations including those I mentioned.

You don't want to hear it...



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   am really sorry but i can't agree on that!! For me galoshes (swims) are the ugliest thing you can put on ,especially if you are formal dressed! Just think of the picture getting in a lobby and and some people waiting for you to discuss business and you say " oh wait a minute i have to take of my swims" apart of the ridiculous sight, where you are going to put  the wet -muddy galoshes after? in plastic bag ,in your business leather bag? At my opinion this is more ridiculous than even wearing them!!

 

    i believe that is better to have 1-2 bad weather pairs than wear galoshes!!the only thing i can accept is if you are somewhere and start rain heavily to put galoshes to go home just not to brake something in the way home!!

 

    Btw the thing about knowing how to walk is at list low level comment! when marble is wet(i dont mean  have a little water on from previous people walked by, i mean having a lot of water from rain)  combined with the flat surface of a leather soled pair is producing a phenomenon in physics called aquaplaning (same at formula1 cars when starting rain and have slick Tyre's on) and this is making walk impossible!!

 

   Everyone has his "taboo" ,i dont like galoshes ,you dont like topy  but we have not to be dogmatic and listen to others!! as ancient Greeks said "ακουσον με, παταξον δε"  with Latin alphabet is "akouson me, patakson de" in free translation means " first listen to  what i have to say,think ,and then judge"!

 

   I dont like topy either(dont have it on my pairs) but at list be honest and admit that if topy is applied correctly there would be no way to see it unless that someone is at stairs in front of you !!

 

This is just my thoughts and always happy to discuss everything!!

cheers Gents

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What I'm wondering is when leather shoes began to dissolve in water.  They get wet, but only in extremis.  They dry.  They are polished.  They live another day.  Or decade.  At least that's what used to happen in my reality.  But I'm on another planet now.

post #9802 of 11878
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

What I'm wondering is when leather shoes began to dissolve in water.  They get wet, but only in extremis.  They dry.  They are polished.  They live another day.  Or decade.  At least that's what used to happen in my reality.  But I'm on another planet now.

 

I totally agree.  However, I hate it when water seeps through the sole and my feet get very uncomfortable.  And I am worried the constant wetting and drying of the shoes will lead to even faster gemming failure

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Fair point, although the anti-topy argument probably comes from the same place as the hand-welting argument: no paper, no paste, etc etc.  You're right that getting very wet shoes is a bad thing, and perhaps the other solutions like split and Norwegian welts might not be the style for dress shoes, warm climates, etc.  I just think there's a tendency to exaggerate to absolutes in this discussion: people who buy expensive shoes also tend to have a lot of shoes, and arguments about longevity and construction are more about the principle and the art than the practicality, I think.

 

For my part, I don't see much wrong with an artificial sole for wet weather shoes - I have a couple of Dainite-soled shoes, and one pair of "commando"-soled boots.  The halfway house of a rubber piece glued onto leather soles, I don't like personally.  But what I would add is that I don't find much practical difference between double leather soles and split welts, and the artifiicial-soled equivalents, in the real world.  They both need a wipe down after walking in the rain, neither let me feet get wet, and as I don't wear the same shoes day after day anyway, they get plenty of time drying on their trees.

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I just do not care for aesthetic ...that is all smile.gif.
post #9805 of 11878
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Originally Posted by benhour View Post

   am really sorry but i can't agree on that!! For me galoshes (swims) are the ugliest thing you can put on ,especially if you are formal dressed! Just think of the picture getting in a lobby and and some people waiting for you to discuss business and you say " oh wait a minute i have to take of my swims" apart of the ridiculous sight, where you are going to put  the wet -muddy galoshes after? in plastic bag ,in your business leather bag? At my opinion this is more ridiculous than even wearing them!!

    i believe that is better to have 1-2 bad weather pairs than wear galoshes!!the only thing i can accept is if you are somewhere and start rain heavily to put galoshes to go home just not to brake something in the way home!!

    Btw the thing about knowing how to walk is at list low level comment! when marble is wet(i dont mean  have a little water on from previous people walked by, i mean having a lot of water from rain)  combined with the flat surface of a leather soled pair is producing a phenomenon in physics called aquaplaning (same at formula1 cars when starting rain and have slick Tyre's on) and this is making walk impossible!!


This is just my thoughts and always happy to discuss everything!!
cheers Gents

People talk/complain about living in the tropics...if you live in a northern climate that sees snow and ice on sidewalks and roads you see exactly how suspect the claim of increased traction is. Leather walks on ice, smooth rubber doesn't. Automobiles tires lacking carbide studs aquaplane on ice. And the results are somewhat more significant than a spill in a lobby.

Aquaplaning happens with rubber too. You alluded to this with your observations about Formula One cars. Once the surface of the Topy wears down (it's only a half millimeter deep) so that it is smooth, it aquaplanes better than leather. Why? Simply because, unlike leather, it has no pores, no intrinsic texture/fiber mat to catch on minute irregularities to counter aquaplaning.

So the logical conclusion is that in order to benefit from topy you need to replace it immediately the "dimples" wear down--about once a month if you're walking frequently. How cost effective or "convenient" is that?

As far as learning to walk is concerned...it is something that shoemakers observe all the time. Gait is part of the equation. But my wife and I have danced (ballroom and swing) for over twenty years, even teaching it on rare occasions, and the number of people who don't know how to carry their weight properly (and thereby insure balance and stability on any surface) is large. The number of people who wear sneakers to dance class is even larger and indicative of a fundamental lack of understanding regarding the principles and mechanics involved.

[Parenthetically, many people don't really know how to breathe properly either--they chest breathe rather than breathing with, from the bottom of, their diaphragms. And they never clear the old stale air from the bottom of their lungs.]

And again, you're supposed to take your galoshes off...just like you take off a hat and/or coat. No one would think twice about it. It's one of those little hardships that living in a rain forest imposes on people--like not leaving cake out out in the rain.

More to the point, if brown shoes...or derbies, monks, loafers, etc....are somehow declasse' in formal or business settings, regardless of the weather, how much moreso are topy half soles?

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Edited by DWFII - 6/25/14 at 6:35am
post #9806 of 11878
Anyone here had success doing a nice mirror shine using ae neutral wax? I have a hard time even after 20 min of continuous waxing. Tried it with kiwi and did it after 10min of continuous spit shine
post #9807 of 11878
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Fair point, although the anti-topy argument probably comes from the same place as the hand-welting argument: no paper, no paste, etc etc.  You're right that getting very wet shoes is a bad thing, and perhaps the other solutions like split and Norwegian welts might not be the style for dress shoes, warm climates, etc.  I just think there's a tendency to exaggerate to absolutes in this discussion: people who buy expensive shoes also tend to have a lot of shoes, and arguments about longevity and construction are more about the principle and the art than the practicality, I think.

For my part, I don't see much wrong with an artificial sole for wet weather shoes - I have a couple of Dainite-soled shoes, and one pair of "commando"-soled boots.  The halfway house of a rubber piece glued onto leather soles, I don't like personally.  But what I would add is that I don't find much practical difference between double leather soles and split welts, and the artifiicial-soled equivalents, in the real world.  They both need a wipe down after walking in the rain, neither let me feet get wet, and as I don't wear the same shoes day after day anyway, they get plenty of time drying on their trees.

Sure...and I again stipulate that I don't have a dog in this arena. I put Topy on the shoes I make for my wife.

But to your point....

"You can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear." If you are in a really wet climate, a full thickness rubber outsole is the logical choice. It may not be as formal and as elegant as leather but sometimes circumstances dictate. A full rubber outsole is at least "sincere"...it is what it is, it's not pretending to be something it's not. And aesthetically, anyone capable of gluing on a Topy can finish a fine line vibram rubber outsole so that it is indistinguishable from leather...at least to the uneducated eye.

Topied outsoles are neither elegant, nor particularly waterproof when you get right down to it--the waist of the shoe is exposed and if you're in a climate where rain and monsoons are synonymous then that area of the outsole is going to get wet...wet enough to let moisture into the shoe.

At some point, you can't have it all. And trying only makes a person look like a proper gowk.

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post #9808 of 11878
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Originally Posted by Petepan View Post

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This "strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov, column in Newsweek (21 January 1980)
post #9809 of 11878

Are we almost to that usual point where DW gives up trying to convince people of something and we go back to talking about shoe care?  Just asking.

post #9810 of 11878
This is why I decided to topy.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Pb's pointed out it was probably due to my gait and that could very well be but the fact is I live on the third floor with metal stairs going to and from everyday and combine Chicago elements with that and well, the above picture illustrates what happened in my case.

As much of a pain in the ass as it is, I do wear galoshes in the winter months so I don't ruin the leather from the salt. Added benefit is a bit more traction in the deep stuff. I find that the bottom of a dress shoe without a topy looks like crap. Before topying I would take edge dressing to cover up the sole and make it look a little better.

Do any of you guys have any good practices for maintaining un-topied soles? Edge Dressing etc..?
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